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:''If a man has put a spell upon another man, and has not justified himself, the one who is charged with sorcery shall go to the holy river, he shall plunge into the holy river, and if the holy river overcomes him, his accuser shall take his estate. If the holy river shows that man to be innocent and has saved him, he who charged him with sorcery shall be put to death and the man who plunged into the river shall take the estate of him who brought the charge against him.''
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[https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-March/029337.html Be excellent], please take discussion to our [https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss general list]. Thanks!
 
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This is a place to keep track of unexcellent behavior and people who have been asked to leave Noisebridge so that the community has some way to police itself.  Please date any entry made to this page.  There is a limited time that this information is relevant.
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If you ask someone to leave the space, please remember to first and foremost remain Excellent - respectful and calm but firm. If the decision to leave is contested, let them know they can come to a Tuesday night [[meetings|meeting]] at 8 pm to defend their actions. If they opt to do so, please also come to defend yours as well.
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= Discussion =
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You sould sign your own name along with your description if you want your concerns taken seriously. Also please give dates of occurrences. Was the thing you are a describing a problem last night or 6 months ago? If you know the names of the nameless please revise the wiki accordingly.
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==The [http://lookatthisfuckingoogle.tumblr.com/ Oogles] ==
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A few homeless folks started spreading the word that Noisebridge is a 24-hour hangout and drop-in center, whether or not sleep is permitted. With refrigerators where you can leave your food.
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The following people have been accused of using Noisebridge as a crashpad and the general sentiment seems to be that they are not making the space more Excellent.
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=== ''Active'' ===
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Oogles who have been recently sighted at the space.
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=== ''Probationary'' ===
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If a person who arrives as an Oogle makes an attempt to integrate with the community and adopt an appropriate ethic and philosophy regarding excellent use of the space, of course we want to give that person a chance to prove themselves. We will allow the quality of the person's hacks to speak for itself.
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=== ''Past'' ===
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Update 6/8/12: These folks have not been sighted recently and have perhaps moved to greener pastures. At some point these descriptions might be retired to an 87 page.
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==Dan==
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''Note: NOT Dan McArdle''
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Mid-20's, about 5'6", slightly stocky build, short goatee, buzzed hair; casually dressed (gray hoodie). Dan has been hanging out the past several nights and his behavior is a bit strange, suggesting mental illness or drug abuse. I've spoken to him about some specific inappropriate behaviors (an extended unexplained laughing jag, loud headphone singing while the space is totally quiet) and Miloh also expressed misgivings about his judgement related to use of the woodshop. Rayc also describes his behavior as "super sketch". Summary: if the guy is able to clean up his act or else solidly contribute, feel free to take down this notice; if he continues to exhibit problematic behavior, please document it here or address him directly. (Jesse Z, 4 March '12).
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==== Purple ====
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Purple removed a vaporizer that was on the clearly marked member's shelves that was my property. When I saw him with it, he said that it was broken and I agreed to let him fix it. Then after he stole the hose from it to use on his own project.  - Rayc. Updating the 86 page with his name as well.
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==== Nyle ====
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* That guy who all he ever does is play guitar
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* This person's name is Niles, and when I spoked to him all he ever talks about is playing guitar. It is rather peculiar that he stays here every single night to play his guitar, and make food. In addition I haven't seem him do much else besides hang out in the exact same place in the library using his laptop or playing his guitar. (Rayc)
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* He talks occasionally about circuit hacking, but he's also pretty good at shoplifting from Whole Foods.  He's on speaking terms with a couple of people who frequent the space.  He's not a menace but it's pretty clear he's just here for the wireless and free food in the evenings.
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* He's ALWAYS in the chair next to the bookshelves in the middle of the space.  Asian.  Is doing something on his netbook with headphones plugged in.  I bet he's there right now.
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* HE NEEDS TO STOP LEAVING HIS GUITAR AND NETBOOK HERE LIKE THIS IS HIS HOME. He left both of them in the library again. - RAYC
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* NYLE SAYS: sorry that I exist, I am a terrible, evil person that deserves to be shot in the head.
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:firstly, the "free food" thing is a flat out lie. 98% of the food I eat at noisebridge is courtesy of the government. the other 2% of the food I eat is raw meat and rocks I find laying around on the street.
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:I have donated almost 2 dollars to noisebridge and have taken care to wash my dishes, lift the toilet seat, and recycle.
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:PROJECTS I AM CURRENTLY WORKING ON:
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:-a collection of poetry and short stories in the form of a zine.
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:-a vending machine costume.
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:-repairing the pickup selector on my gtr.
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:I have zero interest in hacking or tech toys made by child slaves in china. I will take my shit elsewhere and probably leave san francisco within the next 10 days.
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* Nyle hasn't been seen in the space since Saturday Feb 18 2012.  He moved his guitar, guitar case and netbook.  He should probably be required to recite poetry on the spot if sighted again.
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* He's back in the space.  I expect a @$#!*%# poetry zine by end of day.
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* To be fair, he said he was leaving San Francisco. He never said he wasn't coming back.
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* I told Nyle last night that while members of the general public are welcome for classes and events, we would prefer for people not to "hang out" afterhours unless they are working on projects of interest to the Noisebridge hacking community. He said that he had expected this sooner or later, and would start hanging out somewhere else. (Jesse Z, 1 March '12).
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* Nyle is still coming back, saying he wants to use the electricity since his squat doesn't have any. He was kicked out when the space closed for the night. (Jesse Z, 2 March '12)
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* Nyle has come to Noisebridge tonight at 11:18 in the evening, let's see if he is here for hacking purposes or just because Noisebridge has electricity.
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* Moved to 86 (Jesse Z, 4 March '12)
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====Jim====
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Overweight (300lb?) mid-20's white male with blonde stubble, wears a dark knit cap. Jim entered the space with a "friend" and lingered around til dawn. When approached he immediately identified as "one of those Occupy people everyone hates" and complained angrily that "some people were allowed to sleep at Noisebridge" while others were forced to "stand up and move around" all night. I informed him that the space was exclusively for people working on projects and no sleeping was allowed whatsoever. Jim clearly had no purpose being there and I will definitely ask him to leave if I see him again. February 23 '12 (Jesse Z.)
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==== Jedi ====
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*(edited by self) James Y (tall, goatee, black bandana)
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*I have NOT been sleeping in the space. But I am a night owl.
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*I; at heart; am a: Hacker, Scholar, Philosopher, Psychologist, Sociologist, Scientist, and anything else I choose to be.
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*I did, essentially, plan to attend every class offered by the space, but, I have been very busy with other endeavors the space has assisted me with.
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*I have purchased a Noisebridge T-Shirt to show my appreciation for what it stands for.
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*I Have donated at least 4 lb.s of coffee. (n/m, i know) And bunch of tea that just disappeared.(I know it didn't go too far, lol.)
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*I Also purchased dish soap twice now for the space at times when it was needed. (Again, wish it was more.)
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*I have not used the space to store anything, less the projects I started, that were soon after, tossed or hacked by others.
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*I squared off with Jon(athon) every step of the way as he made his attempts that ONE Saturday night, even when we all thought he really did have a gun. I stopped him from getting to the fire escape, restrained him with the help of Rayc and Derek to remove from him, his bags. Then I personally, and physically, removed him from the space via wrist/arm-lock and force.
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* Confirmed [[User:SuperQ]] Was a great help in dealing with a violent issue at noisebridge.  Glad to have him around.
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* From most of the encounters that I've had with Jedi is that he comes in near or after midnight and leaves right as the sun comes out. - RAYC
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*There was an incident where I had began to hack three old computer towers. After I was done for the night, I cleaned up, I put it all away. After only 12 hours, I returned to find that someone had taken up my hack and finished stripping most of it all that I needed, but they didn't clean up after themselves. So I not only lost my hack, I was blamed for their mess.
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I DO try to associate with everyone, So guilty by lifestyle and association, I suppose. I am house-less, But I still have the passion to create, to learn, to dabble, and hack. I still know what respect is. Ending up on this list has halted my decision to join for the moment. I feel like I almost threw money away! I'm being called a Oogle? Excuse me, That is offensive! What happened to being excellent to each other?? -Jedi
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*it is possible you have been unfairly maligned after we all freaked out with the mass number of hobo-ish folk who have planted down roots in our fairspace.  I would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.  My brethren may be of a similar mind.  Come to Tuesday meeting and chill out.  I appreciate you were able to help remove Jonathon without being stabbed.
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*Jedi came to the tuesday meeting tonight to introduce himself, etc. --04:28, 22 February 2012 (UTC) [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]
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==== Derek ====
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*guy with cane who isn't Zack
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*Has not slept or stored stuff at the space in any way.
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*Assisted with Removing Jonathon from the space
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*Has been active in utilizing the space productively.
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*Iraq War Veteran with two purple hearts. (edited by Jedi)
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====James====
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*Skinnyish, slightly stooped, 50 years old, curly brown hair to the shoulders, wears a golf-style cap and black jacket with Noisebridge sticker. I have often heard him engage in loud arguments and also inappropriate discussions. I overheard him giving a tour of the space today where he explained that Noisebridge "used to be" about communications and technology, but now it's about Occupy and making food in the kitchen. He lives close by and has a key. James refused to attend a Tuesday meeting to explain himself. (Jesse Z.)
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*His loud and inane discussions and conversations (usually on the politics of homelessness) have caused me to seek out a quieter place to hack on at least two occasions. (Jonathan T.)
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====Amber====
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*[[User:Hurtstotouchfire]] 05:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC): This evening I met Amber and her friend Nick and talked with her about sleeping in the space. She says that she's new to the community and that there have been false rumors spread about her. I got her email address and will chat with her a bit more later either electronically or in the space. Update: talked to Amber a little more that evening. She said that she objected to someone waking a sleeper once because she had just given the sleeper in question a massage and he dozed off. It was 4 or 5am at the time. I suggested that 4am massages might be more appropriate for someone's house since they tend to lead to sleeping, and sleeping is a really touchy issue in the space right now. Amber is not on the mailing list and didn't know about the wiki or the tuesday meeting. I encouraged her to get involved if she wants to keep hanging around. She is keeping a personal supply of food in the kitchen, including a flat of eggs. I haven't looked all the way though it and I didn't ask her about it (maybe I should have). She told me that she was available for helping people with astrology and that she bakes pies in the middle of the night but didn't seem to be interested in any of Noisebridge's resources other than the kitchen, couches and wifi. She identifies as an occupier. She seems like probably a reasonably nice person but not especially interested in understanding the established community agreements about excellence. She seems to think all of her behavior is excellent. She seemed pretty annoyed at me by the end of our discussion. Rayc also spent much of the discussion pretending to be her lawyer ("My client..." jokes) even though I asked him to stop and pointed out that I'm not a cop and I'm not their mom, I'm just trying to understand what's going on at noisebridge.
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*About 5'2", female, brown stringy shoulder length hair, mid to late 20s. Amber has by all accounts been bringing in new people to hang out on a regular basis. The primary attraction for said people seems to be her own prolific cooking and kitchen access in general, which makes their presence in general a non-benefit to the space. (Jesse Z.) 
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*Some people have friends.  Some people do not have friends.  who cares.  Amber is one of the fundamental reasons Noisebridge is turning into San Francisco's newest homeless drop in center, with free wireless and a place to store your food and extra clothing, because of her.  She needs to go.
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*Amber is, by all accounts, dumb as nails. She should go on 86.
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*For my money, I've articulated to others that Amber is '''not''' quite dumb as a gym sock. I think there's a reason she's become the de facto leader of the directionless: she has slightly more common sense and understanding of best practices for societal interaction than the rest of them, and plus her raging, incorrigible maternal tendencies. She just has an unjustifiably outsized estimation of her own abilities and a staggeringly profound [[No Astrology|lack of critical thinking]]. Maybe it would be an awesome class for Noisebridge and the community at large if someone wants to put on an Intro to Science and Logic course and invite Amber? I'm not joking; I think this, like the intolerably classist and condescending [[Science For Juggalos|Science for Juggalos]], would be an invaluable service for an increasingly scientifically illiterate electorate in an increasingly informationally complex world.
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*It's quite possible she should just be asked to not come back, though
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* Look, I realize Amber, despite her protestations, was the catalyst for much of this. But, to my knowledge, she's never been escorted out of the space. Recently, in fact, she has been making an effort to be more productive, disavow her previous aquaintances, and integrate/interface better with the space. This has redeemed her in the eyes of some, but by no means all, regulars. So she dresses like a hippie and engages in logical fallacies when debating. If that's enough to not want her in the space, then grow a pair and ask her respectfully to not come back until the next Tuesday meeting. If not, then shut up and stop talking shit, or at least filling up 85 with rants.
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* there was a mysterious complete lack of Occupiers in the space tonight during circuit hacking.  Maybe they fled when they heard Mitch Altman was comin' to town, or maybe the lack of Amber is a 1-to-1 correlation.  I'm not sure.  I hope they aren't secretly gathering their strength to lay siege to tomorrow night's meeting.
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====Alabama====
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*(formerly Marines baseball cap, Southern accent, sideburns and a moustache)
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*The first night 'Bama was here he slept in the chair next to the television, and was openly dismissive of anybody who asked him to respect the space and tried to encourage him to be excellent. When he was finally awakened, he acted indignant, as if it was his right to sleep at Noisebridge, and borderline hostile. When asked to leave he complied, but not without vocally objecting, getting names, and vowing to come to the next meeting. He never did.
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====Anthony====
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====Ashley====
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* a/k/a Blondie a/k/a Soldier Boy
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* Average to muscular build, early 20's male, permed and partly bleached hair long above the neck, frequently wears military gear. Was very unfriendly when asked about his use of the space on two occasions and declined to attend a Tuesday meeting (Jesse Z.)
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* sometimes carries a big flag on the end of a pole
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====[https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/028447.html Delta]====
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* Nuff said
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==Ken H.==
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* I asked Ken to repair a friend's computer, as Ken indicated that he was fully capable of it. When I came back to Noisebridge the next day, my friend's harddrive was missing from his computer. The computer was also located in the same exact location and opened as if it was still being worked on. I then later talked to Ken about it, and he stated "I finished the repair last night, put it in the facilities closet, and then left." This was a lie and the harddrive was never recovered.
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* has tattoos on his knuckles and the back of his hands.
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==Cynthia==
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* is usually seen in the kitchen.  almost always wearing a 9/11 Truth Sheeple shirt.
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* can be challenging to communicate with and has some unusual ideas, but enjoys discussing science and cleans the kitchen! She sleeps at a shelter and not Noisebridge.
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** Cynthia's [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/027844.html views on science] are non traditional. Also she may have communist sympathies.
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* Tony: https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/027802.html
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* Zephyr: https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/027831.html
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* Was kicked out of the space in May; attended a meeting and completed mediation, and is now allowed back.
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==Yogurt Container Man== 
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*His name is Harvey.  Nice guy, unshaven, pretending extremely hard to not be homeless, plays chess, is really handy at repairing the peoples clothes with a needle and thread or with the sewing machines.  Stores random things in the shelves in the middle of the space.
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*If this is indeed the same guy I think it is... I have witnessed unexcellent behavior from him recently. One, I caught him with Key-loggers(I am not sure if they were keyloggers, I haven't the proof. But what I want to know is why did he have two HD devices on two computers that he wasn't using for a few hours? So this goes to question, if he was doing that, isn't that hacking?) on two of the NB puter towers, that multi-able people had used. I know its a hacker space, so I just called him out on it. He snatched up the HDs that were USBed up and took off that night.  (Jedi)
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*'hacking everyone's passwords' is superseded by 'be excellent to everyone'.  its also 'really not cool' and 'possibly illegal'.
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*The next incident that I saw was the night Jesse and another member decided to leave the space, and kicked all the other people out of the space. Everyone left, but him, who was trying to get back into the space. He was trying to pry up the usb file drop on the gate. (Jedi)
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* It is extremely difficult to get Harvey to leave.  Jesse and I were leaving so we decided to close the space until other members show up.  Hector didn't really want to leave, but said he would.  He kept asking if we were serious.  We assured him that we were, and he slowly made his way towards the door.  Very slowly.  He kept going back to get one more thing at least 50 times.  His tenacity was a bit disturbing.  Jesse and I finally got Hector out, but he tried to leave the front gate unlatched and once outside the gate he didn't go anywhere. Just sat there.  After we went back up, he tailgaited some chinese workers and sat back down at one of the public computers.  I told Hector again that we were closing, for the 20th time.  He really didn't want to go, and just stood by the door.  I looked him in the eyes and said "It is time for you to go now." and he left down the stairway, came back a couple times with BS excuses (needed to use the bathroom and get his tupperware) and finally left.
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==Justin==
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*Has deleted his account of details of what happened on the 85 page because he feels it's an unnecessary scarlet letter that he no longer chooses to carry as a burden considering that chapter of being a hopeless (f)unemployed alcoholic in his life is now over....
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*Has discovered several other hang out spaces that cater to techie nerd folk like myself that aren't sketch like Noisebridge. And NO he doesn't plan on revealing where these places are.
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*Doesn't hate Robert Albert Young Chu, may or may not somewhere down the line complete some sort of mediation process with him however wants to get some things off chest on this page first.
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*Feels that what he did was disrespectful to Robert Chu months ago, yet at the same time doesn't feel the need to guilt trip over it and feel horrible. He feels that if he does, he enables Robert to ignore the fact that his own desire for Justin's suffering is simply a classic example of psychological projections of his own tribulations within himself onto Justin himself.
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*Feels that Robert is equally at fault of being disrespectful that evening by harassing Justin with a video camera, along with being very disrespectful in general to other people who are only trying their best to be patient and loving.
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*Justin feels that he isn't perfect, but that's what makes him a human being capable of making mistakes.
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*Has gone to AA meetings on a daily basis for the past three months, and has developed a significant net of supporters who love and respect him so much more than anyone at Noisebridge ever had the tenacity to do.
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*Thinks that if he actually had enough time and negative energy, that he would be able to go through a scroll listing everyone else's character flaws and mishaps at Noisebridge, but actually would prefer to avoid unhealthy and unproductive drama for a change.
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*Agrees with Rubin in feeling that this page is fucked up.
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*Feels that the best alternative would be for the moderator of the "Discuss List" to actually go through all of the threads and delineate between drama and non-drama and ultimately create a board specifically for conflict resolution.... This is a usual sector of human resources departments around the world, and considering the infinite and never-ending amount drama that Noisebridge always seems to have, it would be wise for a space such as Noisebridge to have a CR Board.
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*Has actually developed what was proposed in the point above.
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*Does desire to come back to Noisebridge someday despite dramatic nervous breakdowns via discuss list, but only to take free classes and take advantage of social networking opportunities such as 5MoF.
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*Does not desire to hang out with people living in impoverished conditions along with surrounding myself with people who are clearly suffering from mental illnesses as a result of their conditions. I also don't desire to hang out with losers or people who drag me down into their pit of misery and despair. That's for them to decide, not me.
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*Feels he should start a chapter of Noisebridgeaholics Anonymous with a 12 step program to get people to ween themselves away from spending such an unhealthy amount of time at the space... Call me if you need someone to sponsor you. :-)
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==[[user:Rubin110|Rubin]]==
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* Thinks this  wiki page is fucked up. --[[User:Rubin110|rubin110]] 10:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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* Alan agrees, see https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-June/031226.html
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