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===Friday May 17th 2013=== | ===Friday May 17th 2013=== | ||
I asked Scud and Chrissie to leave the space after they had occupied one of the bathrooms from 3:30 until 4 PM. They seemed to understand that they should not return until the Tuesday meeting. They initially left without drama ... a few hours later, they returned (first Chrissie, then Scud). Both were asked to leave again. | I asked Scud and Chrissie to leave the space after they had occupied one of the bathrooms from 3:30 until rousted shortly after 4 PM. (Some background info [[Meeting_Notes_2013_01_15#Heavy_users]] and [[Meeting_Notes_2013_01_29#Discussion_Notes]]). They seemed to understand that they should not return until the Tuesday meeting. They initially left without drama ... a few hours later, they returned (first Chrissie, then Scud). Both were asked to leave again. Chrissie persisting for some time talking about her personal problems, eventually leaving after asked repeatedly by someone else to leave and not return until Tuesday meeting. | ||
===Saturday May 18th 2013=== | ===Saturday May 18th 2013=== | ||
Paula(?) was asked to leave in the morning. After prolonged discussion, she did. | Paula(?) was asked to leave in the morning. After prolonged discussion, she did. | ||
Scud and Chrissie came back around 9 PM - refused to leave after being asked by several people | Scud and Chrissie came back around 9 PM - refused to leave after being asked by several people. Around 10:15, a critical mass of sincere people successfully encouraged them to leave. |
Revision as of 23:44, 18 May 2013
(This page intended as temporary notepad for resolving mostly minor day-to-day drama in the space without engaging the whole NB-Discuss mailing list ...)
Guidelines
(Also, here's some helfpful perspective excerpted from said mailing list ...)
https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-March/034846.html
[...] one of the reasons why the Noisebridge tradition has emerged over the last few years of asking people to leave and come back at meeting is to defuse immediate situations. It doesn't mean anything more than some matter has arisen that the people involved feel uncomfortable handling on their own, and would rather discuss it with the wider community. It's not intended as a punishment. Indeed, if one feels outraged that one will have to spend a maximum of seven days not at Noisebridge, I do rather think one is probably making Noisebridge too much of your life, and need a break anyway. I also strongly believe the following points represent a consensus position at this point, although it isn't the sort of thing that we put through official consensus, it's definitely something that fits with what most of us do when we're doacratically handling these situations. 1. If you're in an argument with somebody that seems irresolvable and looks like it's escalating, you or they should ask the other to leave and come back to meeting. It's okay for both sides to do that, because that gets the confrontation out of the space, and gives time for people to calm down. 2. It's considered excellent to leave and come to the meeting. It counts in your favor. 3. Not leaving isn't excellent, because at that point at least one person is stuck in an immediately intractable problem. 4. Neither is it excellent to leave, and coming back before meeting. Nor should thou take over an hour leaving and then hover around the gate, very slowly picking up your laptop pieces, like with Junior that last time. 5. It's almost certainly not excellent, incidentally, to try and game this by just repeatedly asking people to leave and come back at the next meeting, and then like two minutes after the meeting, ask them to leave and come back to the next meeting, etc. There are many other exploits like this that you can think of. Almost all of them fall under another widely-held hackerspace axiom, "don't be a dick", and won't get you any credit when you come to the meeting with a big grin on your face. Indeed, you may find that the person who did the asking to leave will be in far bigger disgrace than the person who left. This happens. A lot. 5. If you feel ABSOLUTELY outraged about being kicked out, come back at meeting, and almost certainly other people will feel ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGED on your behalf, or perhaps roll their eyes at what happened. It is a good way to see how the rest of the community feels. It is very unlikely that if you are asked to leave for a dumb reason that the rest of the meeting will sympathise with the person telling you to leave. If they do, perhaps your OUTRAGE was misplaced. 6. And yes you are part of a community, and your big "nobody tells *me* what to do" isn't actually the anarchism we practice here. Otherwise you could just turn the place into a satanic ice cream parlor and everyone would be like woooo anarchy, which they would not. Well, maybe at first, but then they would be like why are these arduinos vanilla flavored and melting, and the crying would begin.
Ongoing
Friday May 17th 2013
I asked Scud and Chrissie to leave the space after they had occupied one of the bathrooms from 3:30 until rousted shortly after 4 PM. (Some background info Meeting_Notes_2013_01_15#Heavy_users and Meeting_Notes_2013_01_29#Discussion_Notes). They seemed to understand that they should not return until the Tuesday meeting. They initially left without drama ... a few hours later, they returned (first Chrissie, then Scud). Both were asked to leave again. Chrissie persisting for some time talking about her personal problems, eventually leaving after asked repeatedly by someone else to leave and not return until Tuesday meeting.
Saturday May 18th 2013
Paula(?) was asked to leave in the morning. After prolonged discussion, she did.
Scud and Chrissie came back around 9 PM - refused to leave after being asked by several people. Around 10:15, a critical mass of sincere people successfully encouraged them to leave.