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The 136th Meeting of Noisebridge
 
The 136th Meeting of Noisebridge
  
== Crew ==
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All the Noisebridge [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes meeting notes]. The [[Meeting_Notes_2010_11_16 | previous]] meeting notes (2010/11/23).  The Noisebridge meeting notes[[Meeting_Notes_Template| template]]
'''Get someone to grab the membership binder now. Get someone to take notes.'''
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* Moderator: Al
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* Notes: Andy
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Kelly gave our treasurer's report:
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treasurer's report : balance $8679
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about to pay rent, so down by $3600.  So, $5000 in the bank.
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Shannon pointed out we want to have 3 months expenses in the bank.
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Our data for recent months:
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august: 4500 dues paid, 1400 donations
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september: 2600 dues paid, 325 donations
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october: 2500 dues paid
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november: 2500 dues paid
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Shannon makes the point:  the space is full, every night.  But we don't
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have much money coming in.  People should be paying their dues.
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Jof: there's not much incentive to become a member other than joy of
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    supporting a thing.  What is the incentive?
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Shannon:  "shame!"
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( At this point an open floor discussion commenced, with many ideas some
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of them very good.  I am sure I missed some; my apologies.  Replies
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are sometimes included in square brackets. )
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Frantisek: has discussed money with many people:  Why do we not have new
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  members coming in, and why do we not have donations coming in?
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  Conclusion:  people (the core) are not happy, are becoming detached.
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  Frantisek tried to develop more social connection, for example with
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  food; that didn't work out as well as he had hoped.
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Jake:  Relates his previous experience, with another space that was open
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  to people coming in off the street.  He found that people tended to
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  come in and take advantage of the space, but remain anonymous (not
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  become engaged in the community).  He found that a "census" worked
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  well to help keep track of people.  Their implementation was a
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  simple notebook in the space; anyone interested can take a census at
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  any time, just walk around and ask people "a few simple questions":
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  "What's your name?"  "How many times have you been here in the last
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  month?"  "Would you like to continue coming here?"  He made
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  suggestions for defusing hostile encounters and intransigence.
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Al suggested a few ideas:  He'd like to find a car and someone with a
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  Costco membership so that he can restock sodas.  Al also stated that
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  he wants a locking, clear, box for donations at the space; he is
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  pretty sure that cash has disappeared from the donation bin, and
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  that a significant number of people don't donate because they think
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  donations are insecure.
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Patrick: thinks problem is, no official announcement or bulletin board
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  for people coming into the space.  Suggests a weekly printed
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  calendar with notifications to people.  Specifically finds the wiki
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  hard to find information on.
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Kelly: A subset of our populace -- people who are here a lot -- get
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  indoctrinated in "how we do things"; but a lot of people aren't
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  interfacing with that culture and don't get indoctrinated.
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  Remembers when she was doing "new people indoctrination" after the
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  meetings.  Would like to see more people step up to help introduce
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  newbies to the Noisebridge way.
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Frantisek:  suggests his homebrew as a fundraiser; it's cheaper than
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  soda and mostly organic.  also suggests outreach, bringing new
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  people in.
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John:  suggests guestbook like at hackerdojo -- people should sign in
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  when they come in, using an alias or pseudonym if they prefer.  He'd
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  also like to solicit donations from people who come to events.  He
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  also suggests a new event -- a "Fix your PC" night.
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Shannon:  wants to know if anyone disagrees with statement "if you're
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  here a lot, you should be paying dues".  General agreement.
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Alison: agrees with statement, but genuinely can't afford $40 per month.
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  says it feels bad to not be able to.
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Al: suggests a front desk, a place for a scheduled volunteer to sit and
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  interact with people, request donations, etc.
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Jay: new here, no background.  Not likely to be a hanger-on, but here
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  for one day.  Says it would be great to have an explicit suggestion
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  at the door, "suggested donation for day use $X", plus a clear way
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  to make the donation.  We asked "how would you feel about a sign
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  that said "suggested donation $5"?  and he responded "I'd think
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  'whew, I was considering giving $10 or $20'."
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Kelly:  affiliate donation is too low; suggests benevolent sponsor at
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  $40 for person who wants to be a supporter but not be closely
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  affiliated or involved in governance.
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Carl: asked what the actual run rate numbers are.  Rather than letting
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  Kelly answer precisely, we all barged in and said "about $5k per
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  month".  Carl then asked about income; we estimated "about $3k
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  coming in".
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Patrick: is there a link to paypal on the site?  (yes)
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  do the usergroups pay?  (no).  we should get the user groups to pay.
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  even just $5 per person for a 20 person member group is $100.
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Jof: do we need to encourage members to pay?  or do we need to induct
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  new members?  (we need to get members to pay, but also to get new
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  members.)
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Kelly: re user groups, tries not to raise it, but finds it really
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  annoying that regular groups hosted here don't interface with the
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  membership AT ALL.  Thinks that we need to outreach to those groups.
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  suggests a regular volunteer group show up for the next month to
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  conduct a census of what groups are *actually* using Noisebridge.
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Carl: re user groups, wants a suggested minimum donation per user group.
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Jay: how many members?  (kelly: 105, including hiatus).  "sounds like
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  there are enough members if everyone was paying"
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Frantisek: what were expenses of previous place?  and, is noisebridge
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  too big to support itself at the current size in SFBA?  should we
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  move somewhere smaller?
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  (it cost $20k to move last time, so we can't afford to move.  no
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  actual answer to his question)
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Kelly:  I don't know how to say this nicely, so I'll just say it:  last
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  treasurer wasn't actually tracking who paid dues.  kelly is going
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  back through 2010 data to find out who's actually paid their dues.
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  another problem:  paypal randomly cancels recurring payments,
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  doesn't notify payer.
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( at some point earlier, Shannon mentioned that it costs $137 per day for
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Noisebridge to operate. )
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Meredith: really likes the math we did, of $ per day.  Helps set a goal.
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Alison: is there a need for a group that operates at Noisebridge to have
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  a sponsor member?  (no.  but we have always suggested that there be
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  a member involved, but that's not enforced; Shannon points out that
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  we should make sure they pay at least even if not members. )
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Laura: suggesting numbers to people who use the space would be good.
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Grey: suggest that people with popular blogs encourage the larger
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  community to support us.  (hey, we should ask laughingsquid to drive
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  people to our affiliate membership)
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shannon: "I'll raise the stakes:  I'm going to sponsor a day of
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  December.  $137 in addition to my dues for December."
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Andy: sponsoring decmeber 13
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Al: sponsoring december 26
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Jof: sponsoring december 1
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John: some events have money involved (for kits, etc).  is there
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  interest to have people donate money at an event such as "fix my
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  computer day"
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Kelly:  The theme of being treasurer:  lots of work, awful
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  recordkeeping.  perhaps we could nominate a new secretary who's not
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  burned out.
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Jay: actually, the day costs more like $165, not $137.  Shannon made a
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  arithmetic error.
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( oops.  The day-sponsors agreed (I think) to raise their amounts. )
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Meredith: sewing area is one of the most busy areas at noisebridge.
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  wants to raise funds for sewing area specifically.  wants to have a
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  few sewing days to get people introduced to the sewing area and get
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  people involved.  people who are interested in helping should
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  contact her.
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Steve suggests a light in the space, that turns red as we are going into
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  the red.  kelly wants a data pipe out of our accounting website.
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  frantisek wants to display the number of members who've paid and
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  haven't paid.
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John: how about putting a speaker at the door, to play a recording
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  saying "please donate; it costs $XXX to run this space"
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Laura: if people don't pay their dues, do they lose membership?  (no, we
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  haven't been giving members nag feedback since mitch was doing it,
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  long ago.  Soon Kelly will implement her scheme:  a single friendly
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  nagging email "pay your dues", then after another week, go on hiatus
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  list until dues are paid. )  Should we terminate members when they
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  don't pay?  ( Kelly thinks it'd be good to terminate people who
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  don't pay, but doesn't think that's the consensus. )  Grey points
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  out that process for getting off hiatus is unclear.
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Jay: getting money from people, we should get money from people however
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  much we can.
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Jof: we could use the signs, the one that's been running life could say
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  something useful, like "here's how much we need to get this month"
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  and "here's how many members have paid dues"
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Steve: the signs should say "hey, we're $X below target, please give money"
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Andy: will start about 15 threads on -discuss
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Finally we were done discussing money pains and plans.  A few other
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discussion items came up:
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bikes:  There are a lot of bikes that have been around for a long time,
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taking up space on the bike parking.  Andy and Shannon masking-taped
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them all to the wall; if the masking tape is unbroken in a week, they'll
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go away (to the Bike Kitchen).
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skylights:  need to be plasticked for winterizing.  Andy will order
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plastic.  Costs about $80, donations towards cost (to Andy directly)
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appreciated.  Plasticking party after it arrives.
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We had one candidate for membership, John (present); he asked to wait
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until next week.
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Revision as of 05:24, 29 July 2014

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