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* To bar Patrick from entering the space and participating in the community.
 
* To bar Patrick from entering the space and participating in the community.
  
''A note from the note-taker. This was obviously a long conversation, and my note-taking is imperfect. I'd encourage everyone present to edit their own entries (and spelling of their names) if they feel they are inaccurate or add comments that I missed, and anyone who feels curious to contact the contributors to clarify before taking this as the perfect description of their opinions or statements.''
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(Note from the note-taker. This was obviously a long conversation, and my note-taking is imperfect. I'd encourage everyone present to edit their own entries (and spelling of their names) if they feel they are inaccurate or add comments that I missed, and anyone who feels curious to contact the contributors to clarify before taking this as the perfect description of their opinions.)
  
DrJesus first asks if anyone is acting as a proxy for Patrick at Patrick's request. No-one is.
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There is firstly a recap of last week's events, including how the police got
 
 
There is a recap of last week's events, including how the police got
 
 
involved in the incident after the last meeting, and a clarification that it
 
involved in the incident after the last meeting, and a clarification that it
 
was Patrick who called the police. See
 
was Patrick who called the police. See
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Danny clarifies that unlike last week, all comments, unless specifically
 
Danny clarifies that unlike last week, all comments, unless specifically
requested and agreed to as confidential, will be added to the record.
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requested and agreed as confidential, will be added to the record.
  
 
Shannon says he is less comfortable the less open we are.
 
Shannon says he is less comfortable the less open we are.
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he uses common sense is another matter. But by banning somebody we open a lot
 
he uses common sense is another matter. But by banning somebody we open a lot
 
of doors to the future.  This sets a baseline for how much a dick you have to
 
of doors to the future.  This sets a baseline for how much a dick you have to
be for future bannings.
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be for for future bannings.
  
 
(Printed copies of the evidence collected from last week and available in the
 
(Printed copies of the evidence collected from last week and available in the
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who feels they are being harassed responds and tells him to stop, he denies
 
who feels they are being harassed responds and tells him to stop, he denies
 
that the person really wants him to stop, that they would benefit from physical
 
that the person really wants him to stop, that they would benefit from physical
intimacy with him. Harmless is not how I would characterize that.
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intimacy with him, etc. Harmless is not how I would characterize that.
  
Rikke: I've been reading the evidence. I've been reading about stalkers and
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Rijke: I've been reading the evidence. I've been reading about stalkers and
 
their victims, and typical patterns of harassment. Particular aspects of the
 
their victims, and typical patterns of harassment. Particular aspects of the
 
wording, certain undertones and discriptions to interactions and his responses
 
wording, certain undertones and discriptions to interactions and his responses
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Danny: Jim raised the good point on the mailing list which is: Why are we doing
 
Danny: Jim raised the good point on the mailing list which is: Why are we doing
this through consensus, given that people do-acratically signed a statement using saying that Patrick
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this through consensus, given that people signed a statement using
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Noisebridge's parallel governance system, the do-acracy, saying that Patrick
 
was unwelcome and that they would escort him from the building? Last meeting
 
was unwelcome and that they would escort him from the building? Last meeting
came collectively to the conclusion that consensus was appropriate. We discovered that some members were not at that meeting
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came collectively to the conclusion that consensus was appropriate. Why was that? We discovered that some members were not at that meeting
 
because they no longer felt safe at NB because of Patrick's behavior. Given this, we felt
 
because they no longer felt safe at NB because of Patrick's behavior. Given this, we felt
 
that if we did run it through consensus, we would make it clear that this
 
that if we did run it through consensus, we would make it clear that this
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strongly disapprove of the behavior.
 
strongly disapprove of the behavior.
  
''(At this point, and conveniently after his own long speech, the note-taker's magic surveillance pen ran out of battery, so the notes are paraphrasing much more from this point. Sorry -- particularly to DrJesus whose function as moderator has apparently meant that his many useful contributions got largely subsumed into the general "discussion" asides. Damnit.)''
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Rubin: What does banning mean?
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''(At this point, and convieniently after his own long speech, the note-taker's magic surveillance pen ran out of battery, so the notes are paraphrasing much more from this point. Sorry -- particularly to DrJesus whose function as moderator has apparently meant that his many useful contributions have been largely merged into the general "discussion" asides. Damnit!)''
  
 
Shannon: I've read through the evidence folder. I don't think this reaches to
 
Shannon: I've read through the evidence folder. I don't think this reaches to
 
even the minimum requirements for harassment in the workplace. I think it points
 
even the minimum requirements for harassment in the workplace. I think it points
to him being bad at picking up women. I feel that what we're really doing here is
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to him being bad at picking up women. I feel that what we're really doing is
 
banning this person for his consistent inability to work within our group.
 
banning this person for his consistent inability to work within our group.
  
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harassed but that's not the point. The people who it happened to felt unsafe,
 
harassed but that's not the point. The people who it happened to felt unsafe,
 
and they are grown-up sensible people with better things to deal than deal with
 
and they are grown-up sensible people with better things to deal than deal with
this. They felt unsafe, and that's what we need to concentrate on. But we
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this crap. They felt unsafe, and that's what we need to concentrate on. But we
 
are meeting today about two things: one is what to do about Patrick. And the
 
are meeting today about two things: one is what to do about Patrick. And the
 
other is to discuss how we are handling it. We should keep those two processes
 
other is to discuss how we are handling it. We should keep those two processes
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problem-solving. He doesn't respond, and has actively avoided me.
 
problem-solving. He doesn't respond, and has actively avoided me.
  
Question: How many people have reached out to him? (Lot of hands)
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DrJesus: How many people have reached out to him? (Lot of hands)
 
How many people have got no response? (A few hands)
 
How many people have got no response? (A few hands)
 
How many people have got the response "fuck off"? (More hands)
 
How many people have got the response "fuck off"? (More hands)
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the man.
 
the man.
  
Ryce(?): We do need, however, to move forward to consider similiar scenarios. For
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Ryce: We do need, however, to move forward to consider similiar scenarios. For
 
instance, should we have an official contact email address for people to report such incidents, anonymously if necessary?
 
instance, should we have an official contact email address for people to report such incidents, anonymously if necessary?
  
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Rachel M: I would like to note that I think we are doing much better at consensus.
 
Rachel M: I would like to note that I think we are doing much better at consensus.
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=== Discussion Items ===

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