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=== Project Updates ===
 
=== Project Updates ===
  
Miloh,  we got a lot of [[LED signs]] from [[HackerDojo]], and they are now operational We need 5 volt /3 amp supplies for them.  
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Miloh,  we got a lot of [[LED signs]] from [[Hacker Dojo]], and they are now operational We need 5 volt /3 amp supplies for them.
 
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=== Consensus items ===
 
=== Consensus items ===
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Al would like to talk about [[filth]].  Noisebridge is very [[dirty]] so let's think of ways to get it less filthy
 
Al would like to talk about [[filth]].  Noisebridge is very [[dirty]] so let's think of ways to get it less filthy
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Danny proposes Noisebridge funds to pay someone to clean it on a monthly basis  
 
Danny proposes Noisebridge funds to pay someone to clean it on a monthly basis  
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Liz: It wouldn't help with daily level of filth but might be a good deep cleaning.
 
Liz: It wouldn't help with daily level of filth but might be a good deep cleaning.
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Miloh: What about setting a cap of how much $ we would spend on cleaning per month and for how long. What would we want done - we would have to describe what needs doing.
 
Miloh: What about setting a cap of how much $ we would spend on cleaning per month and for how long. What would we want done - we would have to describe what needs doing.
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Didn't we have a spending freeze? No one remembers.
 
Didn't we have a spending freeze? No one remembers.
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"If we don't remember, and we don't bother to look it up, then we can just ignore it"
 
"If we don't remember, and we don't bother to look it up, then we can just ignore it"
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Question from Mike about washing machine and dryer. Al says there is a bag of towels once a week or so and he takes it to a laundromat and washes it.
 
Question from Mike about washing machine and dryer. Al says there is a bag of towels once a week or so and he takes it to a laundromat and washes it.
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Will: Started a cleaning fund pledge page, didn't get many pledges.  
 
Will: Started a cleaning fund pledge page, didn't get many pledges.  
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Claudia brought soeone in  quote for the bathroom cleaning. Do we need bathroom cleaning?
 
Claudia brought soeone in  quote for the bathroom cleaning. Do we need bathroom cleaning?
  
 
Liz: spec out the jobs really well on signs, have spot to sign up and say you did it with the date. Describe job, what it means to do it, time estimate, supplies needed.  
 
Liz: spec out the jobs really well on signs, have spot to sign up and say you did it with the date. Describe job, what it means to do it, time estimate, supplies needed.  
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Will:  hire someone privately and see what difference it makes.  
 
Will:  hire someone privately and see what difference it makes.  
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Al: if it would be easier to hire a member then let's try that.  
 
Al: if it would be easier to hire a member then let's try that.  
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Aestetix:  Have a list of things to do,  dates like with the bathroom cleaning. It's a gentle reminder.
 
Aestetix:  Have a list of things to do,  dates like with the bathroom cleaning. It's a gentle reminder.
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Miloh: Annoyed because we already have these lists (somewhere)  And wants to just hire someone. We keep talking about it.
 
Miloh: Annoyed because we already have these lists (somewhere)  And wants to just hire someone. We keep talking about it.
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Aestetix objects to the idea of paid positions within Noisebridge.   
 
Aestetix objects to the idea of paid positions within Noisebridge.   
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Sebastian says he had a cron job, every member had to do 1 hour of cleaning per year, the cron job would send out that it needs to be done.  What if all members agree to do X hours per time unit.)  
 
Sebastian says he had a cron job, every member had to do 1 hour of cleaning per year, the cron job would send out that it needs to be done.  What if all members agree to do X hours per time unit.)  
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We have many more people that use the space than that are official members. Maybe 10% are members.
 
We have many more people that use the space than that are official members. Maybe 10% are members.
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Liz commits to write job descriptions and print them tomorrow and put them up. Aestetix and Will are going to help. Liz is going to just buy a laminating machine.
 
Liz commits to write job descriptions and print them tomorrow and put them up. Aestetix and Will are going to help. Liz is going to just buy a laminating machine.
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Will wants someone to just come mop the floor.
 
Will wants someone to just come mop the floor.
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Danny proposes we do a one-off deep clean of the entire space. What would the person do? How much? we need a quote.  
 
Danny proposes we do a one-off deep clean of the entire space. What would the person do? How much? we need a quote.  
  
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John says he checked the zoning law and there is nothing about sleeping in a space it is about residence.  
 
John says he checked the zoning law and there is nothing about sleeping in a space it is about residence.  
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Aestetix says it's more about the social nuisance.  
 
Aestetix says it's more about the social nuisance.  
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Cynthia: the electronic door is often not locked. So maybe it is good that people are here in the night to guard the space.
 
Cynthia: the electronic door is often not locked. So maybe it is good that people are here in the night to guard the space.
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General groans around the room that we don't want to hash out this whole "sleeping at noisebridge" issue again right now, omg.
 
General groans around the room that we don't want to hash out this whole "sleeping at noisebridge" issue again right now, omg.
  
 
Is any of this a sense that the free school is a sort of "hippie problem" (anonymous note )  Are any of them members? Are they donating? Are they cleaning up after themselves? Do they talk to people?
 
Is any of this a sense that the free school is a sort of "hippie problem" (anonymous note )  Are any of them members? Are they donating? Are they cleaning up after themselves? Do they talk to people?
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Danny adds that no one had asked them to donate or be members until he asked them the other day, and one person immediately signed up in the membership binder.
 
Danny adds that no one had asked them to donate or be members until he asked them the other day, and one person immediately signed up in the membership binder.
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Miloh says there is a general problem keeping personal stuff under the DJ room.   
 
Miloh says there is a general problem keeping personal stuff under the DJ room.   
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Aestetix: can we describe what the issues are individually and address them rather than identifying a group and blaming them?
 
Aestetix: can we describe what the issues are individually and address them rather than identifying a group and blaming them?
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Sebastian talks about projects in Germany and how they asked the "freeloading" projects to donate and give back to the space that provides the infrastructure.
 
Sebastian talks about projects in Germany and how they asked the "freeloading" projects to donate and give back to the space that provides the infrastructure.
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Danny: Raised this issue because he wonders if we have some way for an institution to "become a member" .  What do we think is a reasonable way to ask them to integrate or participate or donate in a greater way?
 
Danny: Raised this issue because he wonders if we have some way for an institution to "become a member" .  What do we think is a reasonable way to ask them to integrate or participate or donate in a greater way?
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Miloh: There would be some people we would be tempted to block.
 
Miloh: There would be some people we would be tempted to block.
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Aestetix: can an organization block consensus.  
 
Aestetix: can an organization block consensus.  
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MIloh: has gotten to know them and would like to get to know them more but it's been difficult to do.
 
MIloh: has gotten to know them and would like to get to know them more but it's been difficult to do.
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Liz: But how can the rest of us learn about this or help, if this is a general known problem?
 
Liz: But how can the rest of us learn about this or help, if this is a general known problem?
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Will: people are showing up and  there are actual individuals and behaviors we want to change. Not about another organization.
 
Will: people are showing up and  there are actual individuals and behaviors we want to change. Not about another organization.
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Danny: what are the bad behaviors?
 
Danny: what are the bad behaviors?
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Will:  When people stash stuff here, use the kitchen as personal dinner making and make a mess and they leave their dishes and the food out.  
 
Will:  When people stash stuff here, use the kitchen as personal dinner making and make a mess and they leave their dishes and the food out.  
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Danny: But that is that the kitchen is getting used a lot more. And that is good.  We just need to adjust. Maybe that's not the problem.
 
Danny: But that is that the kitchen is getting used a lot more. And that is good.  We just need to adjust. Maybe that's not the problem.
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Danny: what can we do to talk with them, and what would we ask them to do?
 
Danny: what can we do to talk with them, and what would we ask them to do?
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Aestetix: we should feel free to go up to people and say This violated my personal boundary and i would prefer that you do it differently.   
 
Aestetix: we should feel free to go up to people and say This violated my personal boundary and i would prefer that you do it differently.   
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Al did a really good thing rather than make it "noisebridge rule" talk about how the behavior is offensive.
 
Al did a really good thing rather than make it "noisebridge rule" talk about how the behavior is offensive.
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Danny: We do have a scaling problem with communication in general so let's not scapegoat a group or assume that everyone who does something objectionable is part of that group.
 
Danny: We do have a scaling problem with communication in general so let's not scapegoat a group or assume that everyone who does something objectionable is part of that group.
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Miloh: Had conversation with Jonah and others about some activities not being really good for Noisebridge, like martial arts, yoga, and they didn't do that.  But they do have Qi Gong classes.  
 
Miloh: Had conversation with Jonah and others about some activities not being really good for Noisebridge, like martial arts, yoga, and they didn't do that.  But they do have Qi Gong classes.  
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Miloh: If an organized group comes in and wants to do stuff here, let's sit down and have a meeting with them right away! To establish what might work and what might not.
 
Miloh: If an organized group comes in and wants to do stuff here, let's sit down and have a meeting with them right away! To establish what might work and what might not.
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Danny: Some people really like them and what they do.  
 
Danny: Some people really like them and what they do.  
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Let's be clear about this on the discuss list and also email the Free school people.
 
Let's be clear about this on the discuss list and also email the Free school people.
  
 
Baycon guy shows up with a check! YAY BAYCON!
 
Baycon guy shows up with a check! YAY BAYCON!
 
 
  
 
=== End of Meeting ===
 
=== End of Meeting ===

Latest revision as of 23:13, 28 June 2011

Contents

[edit] Agenda

The 167th Meeting of Noisebridge

Note-taker: Liz

Moderator: Danny


[edit] Introduction and Names

  • What Noisebridge is about: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
  • Round of introductions:

Miloh: hardware/electronics, electronics area and noisebridge. Sebastian: German hacker, network security, CCC. John from Australia: pilot, programmer brain wave measurer. Al: software developer, wrote a book. Espin: psychology and ideas, get hands dirty, woodworking, electronics. Will: enterprise software, lifting heavy boxes. Liz: web dev and internet sleuth and loves cooperatives and anarchy yay noisebridge. Cynthia: physician defrocked, kitchen wench. Mike: computers, programming, but NOT very large infrastructure. Lauren: who is using the makerbot. A few more people who came in after the introductions.


[edit] Announcements

Let the record reflect that the vending machine now accepts dollar bills. John fixed it by taking it apart without breaking it! He will add the info on how to fix it to the wiki page on the vending machine.

[edit] Financial Report

Funds in bank: Kelly's report is not here - But the bank funds looks to be still about 3 months ahead. We just got $3,000 from BayCon auction. Thanks BayCon!


[edit] Membership Binder

  • Read off any names from the binder for the past month.

Names read: Jorgen from the Free School, Espin, George, Patrick L, Malachi R., Kevin S. No one is up for membership this week.


[edit] What's Going On at Noisebridge

Today a lot of things happened including Tahoe, Bitcoin, Tastebridge, Ruby, some kind of LInux meeting, German class.

One short sentence about each of the following:

This is the active list of events from the main page:


[edit] Upcoming Events edit

Please see the current postings at our Announce list and especially our Discuss list for events that are in the active process of being formed and may not yet have made it here.

  • Saturday, April 19, 12:00: NoiseHack, Learn to build, wire, or code a noisemaking thingie! Beginners welcome. Doors open around 11:30am. Keynote speaker and demos start at 12pm. Instructor-led workshops run until 6pm. More details at NoiseHack.
  • Sunday, April 20, 12:00: Godwafflenoisepancakes, An afternoon of noise music and vegan pancakes. A monthly Saturday event starting in May.


[edit] Recurring Events edit

Please refrain from deleting others' classes without first getting agreement.
You may do this by using a valid Discuss list email address, or else by going anonymous if you really must.

[edit] Mondays

  • 7:30 pm - 10:00 pm Circuit Hacking Mondays  
    - Learn to solder! And make cool things with electronics. Mitch, Rolf, Miloh, Cedric, and others will bring kits-for-purchase to make cool, hackable things for all skill levels that you can bring home after you make them! Many sessions even designed for absolute beginners! Bring your own projects to hack! Bring things to fix! All ages. All are welcome! See the Discuss list and the Announce list for weekly updates.
  • 6:00 pm - 8:00 pm Collaborative Coding - All levels and languages welcome for open, friendly coding session. Bring tutorials, projects, or just yourself.
  • 8:00 pm - 10:00 pm Front-end Web Development - Learn HTML/CSS/JS. We're covering the basics and then going in-depth on different topics every week. Recap of last week's material starts at 7:30 pm. Join the WebDev list or check our Discuss list for updates.
  • Take Out the Trash Night -- Round One Be sure to put bins out by midnight as the trash truck comes between 1:30 to 2:30am.

[edit] Tuesdays

  • 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm Advanced Python Slaying the web with Python 2.7 & 3.3. Instructed by Liz and Kellan in Turing.
  • 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm Ruby and Rails class - Seminar and workshop for learning everything about Ruby, Rails, and web application development (Church classroom). See the Announce list for weekly updates.
  • 7:00 pm Noisebridge Weekly Meeting - Introducing new people and events to the space, general discussion, and decision-making on key issues. This is your space, folks. Come on out here in person to express what you think about what's going on with it!

[edit] Wednesdays

  • 11:00 am - 01:00pm DATA in Turing; understanding and using data
  • 6:30 pm - 8:30 pm BACE Timebank (1st Wednesdays every odd month) - Help organize community mutual aid by trading in equal time credits. To find out more and join go to sfbace.org.
  • 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm PyClass - Intro to Python in Church Classroom.
  • 8:00 pm - 10:00 pm Dream Team Neuro Hackery - EEG research & development project with general interest in sleep, dreaming, creative intelligence, and many loosely related topics such as: neurophysiology, signal processing, cognitive neuroscience, and (especially) hacking code and devices for data acquisition and analysis. Join us at the CollaborationStation (near the Hackatorium). Expect general discussion around 8 PM - usually moving along by 9 PM to focus on more technical aspects of current project.

[edit] Thursdays

  • Trash Night -- Round Two - Take out the trash for Friday morning! Do it by midnight as truck comes 1:30-2:30am.
  • 6:00 pm-8:00 pm Collaborative Coding - All levels and languages welcome for an open, friendly coding session. Bring tutorials, projects, or just yourself. Started on 2013-12-16, but new participants always welcome here!
  • 7:00 pm - 10:00 pm 3D Thursday Weekly meetup (non-3rd-thursdays) at Noisebridge focusing on 3D Printers, CNC machines, FabLabs, and replicating machines of all kinds.
  • 8:00 pm Front-end Web Development Lab - Understand by doing! A recap of Monday's lecture in workshop form - and a good time for one-on-one help with the material. Lab updates posted on the Discuss list and the Announce list.
  • 8:00 pm Five Minutes of Fame a.k.a. 5MoF - lightning 5min talks every 3rd Thursday of the month

[edit] Fridays

[edit] Saturdays

  • 12:00 pm - 2:00 pm Godwafflenoisepancakes An afternoon of noise music and vegan pancakes held in the Hackatorium on the first Saturday of the month, starting in May.
  • 12:00 pm - 6:00 pm Modular and Analog Synth Workshop NEXT WORKSHOP TBA Learn the basics of analog synthesis on a modular synth with Douglas. we will meet in the church.

[edit] Sundays


[edit] Non-weekly

a casual monthly event dedicated to working on the space or relevant projects and building community. This is a great time to get feedback or help on any projects you have been considering that center around the space, culture, and infrastructure of Noisebridge. You can also help with existing projects and find out ways to get involved.

[edit] Project Updates

Miloh, we got a lot of LED signs from Hacker Dojo, and they are now operational We need 5 volt /3 amp supplies for them.

[edit] Consensus items

(Add any new items for consensus to the Current Consensus Items page.)

[edit] Discussion Items

Al Sweigart would like to talk dirty.

Danny would like to propose for consensus paying someone to clean on a monthly basis.

Danny would like to meta-discuss the structure of the meeting.

Finally, Danny would like to mention a chat he had with the Free School folks.

Someone would like to anonymously point out that Free School and friends have turned the space under the laser room into their personal belonging storage for the past month or so (go check it now, it's a Noiserat nest heaven up in there!). Personal as in clothing, personal hygiene products, items one would normally store in a place they're living out of. Considering that it's illegal for anyone to live at 2169 Mission due to our lease and the city zoning code, does Noisebridge as a collective want people keeping their personal belongings (in this instance things you'd normal keep with you traveling or at your home) in the space? Additionally since such items are being left at the space, concern to their security and well being should be voiced considering Noisebridge as a collected sees property like this as automatic donated to the nonprofit, which was outlined in previous meetings. Or you could just delete this discussion item since I currently lack the energy (backbone?) to debating such things on my own but would like to see some action taken by the group.


Actual discussion:

Al would like to talk about filth. Noisebridge is very dirty so let's think of ways to get it less filthy

Danny proposes Noisebridge funds to pay someone to clean it on a monthly basis

Liz: It wouldn't help with daily level of filth but might be a good deep cleaning.

Miloh: What about setting a cap of how much $ we would spend on cleaning per month and for how long. What would we want done - we would have to describe what needs doing.

Didn't we have a spending freeze? No one remembers.

"If we don't remember, and we don't bother to look it up, then we can just ignore it"

Question from Mike about washing machine and dryer. Al says there is a bag of towels once a week or so and he takes it to a laundromat and washes it.

Will: Started a cleaning fund pledge page, didn't get many pledges.

Claudia brought soeone in quote for the bathroom cleaning. Do we need bathroom cleaning?

Liz: spec out the jobs really well on signs, have spot to sign up and say you did it with the date. Describe job, what it means to do it, time estimate, supplies needed.

Will: hire someone privately and see what difference it makes.

Al: if it would be easier to hire a member then let's try that.

Aestetix: Have a list of things to do, dates like with the bathroom cleaning. It's a gentle reminder.

Miloh: Annoyed because we already have these lists (somewhere) And wants to just hire someone. We keep talking about it.

Aestetix objects to the idea of paid positions within Noisebridge.

Sebastian says he had a cron job, every member had to do 1 hour of cleaning per year, the cron job would send out that it needs to be done. What if all members agree to do X hours per time unit.)

We have many more people that use the space than that are official members. Maybe 10% are members.

Liz commits to write job descriptions and print them tomorrow and put them up. Aestetix and Will are going to help. Liz is going to just buy a laminating machine.

Will wants someone to just come mop the floor.

Danny proposes we do a one-off deep clean of the entire space. What would the person do? How much? we need a quote.

Will brings up donating. What about if on Monday nights, have someone walk around with a donation jar at crowded times and try to raise money.

Miloh thinks it is offputting to have the donation jar right in the center of an activity.

Danny says he will go around begging for donations during Monday nights.

People keeping their stuff in the laser room, clothes and bathroom stuff as if someone's person's belongings. Under stairwell, under laser cutter, etc. Other people are asking them not do keep their personal stuff here in that way. Al left some signs on their things asking people to move the stuff, with his email address for them to contact

It's illegal for people to live here.

John says he checked the zoning law and there is nothing about sleeping in a space it is about residence.

Aestetix says it's more about the social nuisance.

Cynthia: the electronic door is often not locked. So maybe it is good that people are here in the night to guard the space.

General groans around the room that we don't want to hash out this whole "sleeping at noisebridge" issue again right now, omg.

Is any of this a sense that the free school is a sort of "hippie problem" (anonymous note ) Are any of them members? Are they donating? Are they cleaning up after themselves? Do they talk to people?

Danny adds that no one had asked them to donate or be members until he asked them the other day, and one person immediately signed up in the membership binder.

Miloh says there is a general problem keeping personal stuff under the DJ room.

Aestetix: can we describe what the issues are individually and address them rather than identifying a group and blaming them?

Sebastian talks about projects in Germany and how they asked the "freeloading" projects to donate and give back to the space that provides the infrastructure.

Danny: Raised this issue because he wonders if we have some way for an institution to "become a member" . What do we think is a reasonable way to ask them to integrate or participate or donate in a greater way?

Miloh: There would be some people we would be tempted to block.

Aestetix: can an organization block consensus.

MIloh: has gotten to know them and would like to get to know them more but it's been difficult to do.

Liz: But how can the rest of us learn about this or help, if this is a general known problem?

Will: people are showing up and there are actual individuals and behaviors we want to change. Not about another organization.

Danny: what are the bad behaviors?

Will: When people stash stuff here, use the kitchen as personal dinner making and make a mess and they leave their dishes and the food out.

Danny: But that is that the kitchen is getting used a lot more. And that is good. We just need to adjust. Maybe that's not the problem.

Danny: what can we do to talk with them, and what would we ask them to do?

Aestetix: we should feel free to go up to people and say This violated my personal boundary and i would prefer that you do it differently.

Al did a really good thing rather than make it "noisebridge rule" talk about how the behavior is offensive.

Danny: We do have a scaling problem with communication in general so let's not scapegoat a group or assume that everyone who does something objectionable is part of that group.

Miloh: Had conversation with Jonah and others about some activities not being really good for Noisebridge, like martial arts, yoga, and they didn't do that. But they do have Qi Gong classes.

Miloh: If an organized group comes in and wants to do stuff here, let's sit down and have a meeting with them right away! To establish what might work and what might not.

Danny: Some people really like them and what they do.

Let's be clear about this on the discuss list and also email the Free school people.

Baycon guy shows up with a check! YAY BAYCON!

[edit] End of Meeting

  • PGP Key Signing could happen now, check the list to see who wants in on the action.
  • Put back the membership binder by the Shrine.
  • Save the meeting notes to the wiki.
  • Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
  • Copy the Meeting Notes Template for next week's agenda and update the main wiki page's link to it.
  • Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.
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