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Ben K would like to talk about lighting.
 
Ben K would like to talk about lighting.
  
I've heard rumors, made measurements, COLLECTED FACTS, while we have the lights turned on, we are drawing 2.5KW per hour. That's pprox 1/3rd of our power bill, costs hundreds of dollars a month (our last bill was c. $833). Also burned out lights that are drawing power.
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I've heard rumours, made measurements, COLLECTED FACTS, while we have the lights turned on, we have 2.5KW per hour. Approx 1/3rd of our power bill, cost hundreds of dollars a month (our last bill was c. $833). Also burned out lights that are drawing power.
  
 
We don't know what is using all the energy. So phase 1 of Operation DESTRUCTO-ENERGY is
 
We don't know what is using all the energy. So phase 1 of Operation DESTRUCTO-ENERGY is
  
* Measuring. Put one measurement device on one of our feeds, already. Ben would like to spend NB money on a second device that works on the second feed. $700 will meter the whole place.
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* Measuring. Put one measurement device on one of our feeds, and Ben would like to spend NB money on a second device that works on the second feed. $700 will meter the whole place.
  
* Once we have metering, the SF dept of environment who will come out, and audit what we are using for electricity with the hope that they can get us funding from PG&E to improve the situation. They have explicitly are NOT part of building inspection, they  want to reduce our energy usage only. We have moderately inefficient lighting, but it can be significantly improved for a sum of money -- we have no idea of the costs. But that's the point of the inspection. They write down what we have, so that they can prove we aren't lying when we ask for the money from PG&E. We have a whole pile of spares and a whole pile of dead lights, which Jim and Ben will be fixing together before the inspector comes in next week or so (appointment has not yet been scheduled).
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* Once we have metering, the SF dept of environment who will come out, and audit what we are using for electricity with the hope that they can get us funding from PG&E to improve the situation. They have explicitly are NOT part of building inspection, they  want to reduce our energy usage. What we have moderately inefficient lighting, but it can be significantly improved for a sum of money -- we have no idea of the costs. But that's the point of the inspection. They write down what we have, so that they can prove we aren't lying when we ask for the money. We have a whole pile of spares and a whole pile of dead lights, which Jim and Ben will be fixing together before the inspector comes in next week or so (appointment has not yet been scheduled).
  
 
Wish asked about solar panels. Ben says we would need more money than we have -- it would take 10-15 years to recoup the costs. We could drop our powerbill by a third.
 
Wish asked about solar panels. Ben says we would need more money than we have -- it would take 10-15 years to recoup the costs. We could drop our powerbill by a third.
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mess, and that's why we get two measurements.
 
mess, and that's why we get two measurements.
  
It was agreed to fund-raise for the $700, and for a consensus item to be placed next week to draw the remainder from NB funds.
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"Noisebridge shall pay the funds up to $700 measuring device, after a collection has been made."
 
"Noisebridge shall pay the funds up to $700 measuring device, after a collection has been made."
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Pass the donation box for a second projector (for Church)
 
Pass the donation box for a second projector (for Church)
  
Rubin says:
 
 
When we did the revamp of the infrastructure, when the rack was set up, it was
 
When we did the revamp of the infrastructure, when the rack was set up, it was
 
a rat's nest, with cables hanging out. I thought it was a danger. When I
 
a rat's nest, with cables hanging out. I thought it was a danger. When I
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we stated that we didn't want the place turning into a hosting facility. People
 
we stated that we didn't want the place turning into a hosting facility. People
 
put in machines, they don't tell anyone, noone leave any notes. It's a pain.
 
put in machines, they don't tell anyone, noone leave any notes. It's a pain.
Noisebridge money goes into paying for the power and the internet.
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Noisebridge money goes into the power and the internet.
  
The rack in question was barely holding together, nothing was powering on, there was a melted
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The rack was holding it together, nothing was powering on, there was a melted
laptop. So I decided to move it out to the sidetalk.  It didn't seem to be
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laptop. So I decided to move it out from the sidetalk.  It didn't seem to be
doing anything useful, and was in the way of the fire escape. And in the spirit of noisebridge, I felt I was hacking
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doing anything useful. And in the spirit of noisebridge, I felt I was hacking
 
the space, by removing the rack.
 
the space, by removing the rack.
  
 
There was a 2U which was missing everything but its motherboard, but wasn't
 
There was a 2U which was missing everything but its motherboard, but wasn't
really assembled together. There was four powerstrips and ethernet tied to the machine; both were dangerously looped over the rest of the sapce.  
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really assembled together. It seemed like somebody's trash. There was four
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powerstrips and ethernet tied to the machine.  
  
 
Jorgen said when Rob came in he asked about his servers. Rubin said
 
Jorgen said when Rob came in he asked about his servers. Rubin said
that they really didn't seem working like servers.  
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that they really didn't seem working servers. We re-iterated the rule that everything
 
 
We re-iterated the rule that everything
 
 
that is deposited in the space is a donation, and membership shelves have no
 
that is deposited in the space is a donation, and membership shelves have no
 
guarantee.  
 
guarantee.  
  
Duncan points out having a name and number on an item *can* help stop it from
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Duncan points out having a name and number on an item can help stop it from
 
being re-purposed.
 
being re-purposed.
  
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the negativity, I think there is their potential.  
 
the negativity, I think there is their potential.  
  
Rachel Hospodar said she was there last night to meet Rob 2.0 -- the people were Rachel, Mitch, Miloh, Jake, Leila, Mike. He seemed like he
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Rachel Hospodar was Rachel, Mitch, Miloh, Jake, Leila, Mike. He seemed like he
 
wanted to be here, but he had a hard time accepting that he had to change. It's
 
wanted to be here, but he had a hard time accepting that he had to change. It's
 
not clear which way he has to go.
 
not clear which way he has to go.
  
 
Winn: here is another sort of really faulty psychological person. He's had a
 
Winn: here is another sort of really faulty psychological person. He's had a
hard life. He can win you over. He can be
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hard life. He can win you over. In the meantime, he's on disability. He can be
 
disruptive. Everyplace I go, I can tell where he's been.
 
disruptive. Everyplace I go, I can tell where he's been.
  
Rubin felt it was inappropriate to talk about Rob 2.0 without him being here to defend himself.
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A warning is more appropriate than throwing things out.
 
 
Danny felt that a warning was more appropriate than throwing things out.
 
  
 
Rachel Hospodar says that throwing stuff out like this without warning, is an
 
Rachel Hospodar says that throwing stuff out like this without warning, is an
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Evan says we have a reasonable expectation that the rack was not being used,
 
Evan says we have a reasonable expectation that the rack was not being used,
 
and ignored for a good period of time, and yes, it should be thrown out. A post
 
and ignored for a good period of time, and yes, it should be thrown out. A post
to the main mailing list about that, though, would be useful.  
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to the main mailing list about that would be useful.  
  
Last night at 3AM, Rachel says we had a giant argument with Rob 2.0. We tried to
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Last night at 3AM, and we had a giant argument with Rob 2.0. We tried to
 
convince him not to be an asshole. And then Rob's response was to explain the
 
convince him not to be an asshole. And then Rob's response was to explain the
reasoning behind that behaviour. I don't care the reason behind it, I just care that he was an asshole, says Rachel, and now I
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reasoning behind that behaviour. I don't care the reason behind it, and now I
feel I'm having the same experience with you, Rubin.
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feel I'm having the same experience with you.
  
It was harder to pursuade him to change his behaviour, because we had to explain why Rubin is an asshole too, and why
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It was harder, because we had to explain why Rubin is an asshole too, and why
that's sometimes okay.  
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that's okay.  
  
 
Someone says they hate Rubin. Someone says they love Rubin.
 
Someone says they hate Rubin. Someone says they love Rubin.
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point out, a discussion with Danny, when I first got here, I was rather feral.
 
point out, a discussion with Danny, when I first got here, I was rather feral.
 
The music went up, and I thought it was an excellent thing to pull the wire
 
The music went up, and I thought it was an excellent thing to pull the wire
out, and I sort of modelled that on behaviour that I'd seen in the space. One thing to do:
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out, and I sort of modelled that on behaviour that I'd seen. One thing to do:
 
it might be mindful, with a broad spectrum of backgrounds, our behaviour will
 
it might be mindful, with a broad spectrum of backgrounds, our behaviour will
 
be modelled. It might be one thing to throw away a rack. Someone might do the
 
be modelled. It might be one thing to throw away a rack. Someone might do the
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error or doubt would be useful.
 
error or doubt would be useful.
  
Someone notes that Rob 2.0 did leave the space voluntarily. He should get credit for that.
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He did leave the space voluntarily. He should get credit for that.
  
Jorgen believes he may have ADD. He'll take the scooter, and be five minutes in
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Jorgen thinks he may have ADD. He'll take the scooter, and be five minutes in
 
the workshop, he'll take out eight screws, and then he'll wander off onto the
 
the workshop, he'll take out eight screws, and then he'll wander off onto the
 
computer. The thing that bothered me was the constant usage of community
 
computer. The thing that bothered me was the constant usage of community
 
computers.
 
computers.
  
One of the problems with Rob, is that he was sleeping here. Kayla says she has keys for a place for him to sleep.
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One of the problems with Rob, is that he was sleeping here. I have a solution
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for that, Kayla says she has keys for a place for him.
  
 
If you see Rob taking things apart, ask him if he is going to put things back together.
 
If you see Rob taking things apart, ask him if he is going to put things back together.
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Duncan: but I think he wants to change, and all of this didn't help.
 
Duncan: but I think he wants to change, and all of this didn't help.
  
Someone: As a fellow person with ADHD, part of it is you don't consider the consequences
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As a fellow person with ADHD, part of it is you don't consider the consequences
of your actions. Executive functions aren't the greatest. You just have to form habits by restructuring things. Pretty much I think the best solution just to reiterate to Rob, to not do certain things, if you see him doing them.
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of your actions. Executive functions aren't the greatest. You just have to form habits by restructuring things. Pretty much I think the best solution just to reiterate to Rob, if you see him doing.
  
 
Jorgen says he responds well with a good sense of humor.
 
Jorgen says he responds well with a good sense of humor.
  
Everyone agreed Jorgen is a good point person to have as the contact person.
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Jorgen is a good point person to put in touch.
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We agreed to let him help himself to the servers in the back classroom.
  
We agreed to let Rob 2.0 help himself to the racks in the back classroom.
 
  
 
=== End of Meeting ===
 
=== End of Meeting ===

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