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* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
 
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
 
* Round of introductions:
 
* Round of introductions:
1. Danny: moderating, hacks and leads social engineering group
 
2. Marko: from Toronto, wants to
 
3. Anonymous: expect me
 
4. Josh: hack on software ethernet, arduino on door
 
5. Nick: makes web games, plays on servers
 
6. Rummmrm pizza
 
7. Erica: Pretends to be working
 
8. Jesse: member of biocurious
 
9. Justin: random stuff hive76 philly
 
10. Rayce: moves everything quickly
 
11. Zephyr:
 
12. Andrew: Hacks on things and sometimes gets burned by things
 
13. Ramone:
 
  
* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: Consensus is a process for proposals where any concerns about the proposals are examined by the group and adjusted until the group agrees on the proposal. It is the note-taker's opinion that the contrast to consensus is the convenient solution where no work actually needs to be done and if you want to see the results of trading a little bit of work for convenience open your eyes in the morning. Consensus is your job and you should be eternally grateful  you have it /soapbox.
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Danny: moderating, hacks and leads social engineering group
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Marko: from Toronto, wants to
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Anonymous: expect me
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Josh: hack on software ethernet, arduino on door
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Nick: makes web games, plays on servers
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Rummmrm pizza
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Erica: Pretends to be working
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Jesse: member of biocurious
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Justin: random stuff hive76 philly
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Rayce: moves everything quickly
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Zephyr:
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Andrew: Hacks on things and sometimes gets burned by things
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Ramone:
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* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: Consensus is a process for proposals where any concerns about the proposals are examined by the group and adjusted until the group agrees on the proposal. It is the note-taker's opinion that the contrast to consensus is a system where individuals do not invest the work required for consensus. Rather than invest said (sometimes boring) work someone is appointed to do the work instead. The end result being the people who did not want to invest in the (sometimes boring) work do not have their interests represented and sacrifice a disproportionately large section of whatever was up for consensus. If you think it's a drudge consider the alternatives. Representative Consensus PoC ended, will not be implemented, inherently flawed. /soapbox  
  
 
=== Short Announcements ===
 
=== Short Announcements ===
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=== Financial Report ===
 
=== Financial Report ===
Funds in bank: $216?.??
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Funds in bank: $21,623.58
Paypal has eased up a bit and says something is now ok. We can withdraw more than 500 without a ss # now have EIN. yay
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Paypal has eased up a bit. NB now has EIN without SS#. Things will proceed.
  
 
=== Membership Binder ===
 
=== Membership Binder ===
 
Michael Monarchy: I thought that i was b=going tone left behind w computers… woodwork n sewing. Can donate and knowledge transfers week 1 no sponsors yet
 
Michael Monarchy: I thought that i was b=going tone left behind w computers… woodwork n sewing. Can donate and knowledge transfers week 1 no sponsors yet
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Josh J: Concerned about software n hardware quality/freedom n civil rights and justice, great sponsor Leif NB is purest form of these ideals
 
Josh J: Concerned about software n hardware quality/freedom n civil rights and justice, great sponsor Leif NB is purest form of these ideals
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Michael M: hacking is way of life and love contributing week4 2 sponsors ready
 
Michael M: hacking is way of life and love contributing week4 2 sponsors ready
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Brian K; NB is tight 1. sponsor week 3
 
Brian K; NB is tight 1. sponsor week 3
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Erica L: here all times and likes contributing 2 sponsors week 3
 
Erica L: here all times and likes contributing 2 sponsors week 3
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Ada: NB is awesome. Doer 2 sponsor Joghen and k week 4
 
Ada: NB is awesome. Doer 2 sponsor Joghen and k week 4
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Max W: NB is the shiet 2 sponsor week 4
 
Max W: NB is the shiet 2 sponsor week 4
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Jeff S: stuck in 2011 world without time machine: wants to build way back. 1 sponsor week 4
 
Jeff S: stuck in 2011 world without time machine: wants to build way back. 1 sponsor week 4
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Katlyn M: Graphics  technology and games n media week 1
 
Katlyn M: Graphics  technology and games n media week 1
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Stephen B : NB is best hackerpsace in bay area starting a company collaboration 2 sponsor week 4
 
Stephen B : NB is best hackerpsace in bay area starting a company collaboration 2 sponsor week 4
Josh: joined EFF and shirt is in the mail; mac relics, writes software, works on projects that… most of the things i work on will be used by nobody or lead great change. Mac relics is posix layer on system calls so take untrusted 16k code and only have access to… lost track, 64 k emulator, taking new perspective on emulator that does not boot mac os into window in current environment rather emulate ac toolbox calls so app will be at same level as mac native apps (like Wine but… ) furthet off io future curious about running untrusted 4th party code. Ex… 4th party is ad layer. What if age auth does not trust adverts on page? How to implement… since already using 16k … pay cost of emulation once the virtualsation.. design principle of unix is hierarchy.
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Josh: joined EFF and shirt is in the mail; mac relics, writes software, works on projects that… most of the things i work on will be  
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used by nobody or lead great change. Mac relics is posix layer on system calls so take untrusted 16k code and only have access to… lost track, 64 k emulator, taking new perspective on emulator that does not boot mac os into window in current environment rather emulate ac toolbox calls so app will be at same level as mac native apps (like Wine but… ) furthet off io future curious about running untrusted 4th party code. Ex… 4th party is ad layer. What if age auth does not trust adverts on page? How to implement… since already using 16k … pay cost of emulation once the virtualsation.. design principle of unix is hierarchy.
 
No silver bullet on social contracts. The people who implement the system are key to the system. Would block  consensus IF item under consideration was detrimental to community. (does that warrant blocking consensus)
 
No silver bullet on social contracts. The people who implement the system are key to the system. Would block  consensus IF item under consideration was detrimental to community. (does that warrant blocking consensus)
 
Appreciates value of reality check but blocking…  a block means something requires further discussion or
 
Appreciates value of reality check but blocking…  a block means something requires further discussion or
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discussion…
 
discussion…
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discussion….
 
discussion….
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money….
 
money….
  
Josh is now a member. Beer provided was Corona and limes were also provided.
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Josh is now a member. Beer provided was Corona and limes were also supplied.
  
 
=== Consensus items ===
 
=== Consensus items ===

Latest revision as of 16:33, 14 December 2011

Contents

[edit] HOWTO run a meeting.

Pick a moderator, and a note-taker. The note-taker should:

  • write notes in this page, put them back up online when they're done,
  • edit the Current Consensus Items if anything is decided to be up for consensus next week (stuff raised for consensus this week should be publicised for a final decision next week)
  • edit the Consensus Items History if anything was consensed or failed to consense this week.
  • tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.

Moderator should:

  • make sure everyone gets a chance to speak
  • speak minimally themselves
  • keep the meeting moving! you're in charge of summarising the consensus, and/or suggesting things that need to be done!
  • get the membership binders and ensure they are returned to the black desk

[edit] Agenda

The 191st Meeting of Noisebridge

Note-taker: Ben

Moderator: Danny


[edit] Introduction and Names

  • What Noisebridge is about: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
  • Round of introductions:

Danny: moderating, hacks and leads social engineering group

Marko: from Toronto, wants to

Anonymous: expect me

Josh: hack on software ethernet, arduino on door

Nick: makes web games, plays on servers

Rummmrm pizza

Erica: Pretends to be working

Jesse: member of biocurious

Justin: random stuff hive76 philly

Rayce: moves everything quickly

Zephyr:

Andrew: Hacks on things and sometimes gets burned by things

Ramone:

  • A brief primer on consensus process: Consensus is a process for proposals where any concerns about the proposals are examined by the group and adjusted until the group agrees on the proposal. It is the note-taker's opinion that the contrast to consensus is a system where individuals do not invest the work required for consensus. Rather than invest said (sometimes boring) work someone is appointed to do the work instead. The end result being the people who did not want to invest in the (sometimes boring) work do not have their interests represented and sacrifice a disproportionately large section of whatever was up for consensus. If you think it's a drudge consider the alternatives. Representative Consensus PoC ended, will not be implemented, inherently flawed. /soapbox

[edit] Short Announcements

Rayce has converted the refrigerator into a giant whiteboard. Go and bask in the food prep area at the fruits of labors.

[edit] New or Stale Events

Replicator Wednesdays is at Hacker Dojo this week.

[edit] Financial Report

Funds in bank: $21,623.58

Paypal has eased up a bit. NB now has EIN without SS#. Things will proceed.

[edit] Membership Binder

Michael Monarchy: I thought that i was b=going tone left behind w computers… woodwork n sewing. Can donate and knowledge transfers week 1 no sponsors yet

Josh J: Concerned about software n hardware quality/freedom n civil rights and justice, great sponsor Leif NB is purest form of these ideals

Michael M: hacking is way of life and love contributing week4 2 sponsors ready

Brian K; NB is tight 1. sponsor week 3

Erica L: here all times and likes contributing 2 sponsors week 3

Ada: NB is awesome. Doer 2 sponsor Joghen and k week 4

Max W: NB is the shiet 2 sponsor week 4

Jeff S: stuck in 2011 world without time machine: wants to build way back. 1 sponsor week 4

Katlyn M: Graphics technology and games n media week 1

Stephen B : NB is best hackerpsace in bay area starting a company collaboration 2 sponsor week 4

Josh: joined EFF and shirt is in the mail; mac relics, writes software, works on projects that… most of the things i work on will be used by nobody or lead great change. Mac relics is posix layer on system calls so take untrusted 16k code and only have access to… lost track, 64 k emulator, taking new perspective on emulator that does not boot mac os into window in current environment rather emulate ac toolbox calls so app will be at same level as mac native apps (like Wine but… ) furthet off io future curious about running untrusted 4th party code. Ex… 4th party is ad layer. What if age auth does not trust adverts on page? How to implement… since already using 16k … pay cost of emulation once the virtualsation.. design principle of unix is hierarchy. No silver bullet on social contracts. The people who implement the system are key to the system. Would block consensus IF item under consideration was detrimental to community. (does that warrant blocking consensus) Appreciates value of reality check but blocking… a block means something requires further discussion or

discussion…

discussion….

money….

Josh is now a member. Beer provided was Corona and limes were also supplied.

[edit] Consensus items

(Add any new items for consensus to the Current Consensus Items page.)

[edit] Discussion Items

President is up for election: Discussion about previous selection processes. Next president should be MC Hawking: Michael Charlie Hawking is nominated Election postponed to after 12.01.01?

[edit] End of Meeting

  • PGP Key Signing could happen now, check the list to see who wants in on the action.
  • Put back the membership binder in the black desk.
  • Save the meeting notes to the wiki.
  • Send a copy of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
  • Copy the Meeting Notes Template for next week's agenda and update the main wiki page's link to it.
  • Enjoy a cocktail with your fellow hacker or robot.
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