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==== Non-hackers hanging out at Noisebridge ==== Noticed non-hackers hanging out in the library, asked them to come to this meeting, none of them are here People have the image that this is an "open resource" for people to do anything - preference should be for hacking Whether Noisebridge is primarily for hacking? Stack: Jake Jake: Mailing list differ with my opinion on what noisebridge is for One night - guy (James) says he's not responsible for anyone he brings in - jake feels people should be accountable for who they bring to noisebridge, James says "noisebridge is a public place, anybody can come here anytime" James also said "noisebridge used to be about communications/hacking, now about occupy and using the kitchen". last night jake told James we were having a meeting tonight, and that he should attend, but he couldn't make it. jake encouraged him to write a note to the meeting, which also didn't happen. guy left around 2 today? Zephyr: has been coming here a while, but doesn't want to come lately because of non-hacker groups - if you come to a hacker space, you should be hacking. if you're not a hacker, leave. feels a marked decline; less people taking us seriously Rayc: Al Sweigart started this thing, where you can save food by writing your name on it and keeping it here - sign on the refrigerator this has been abused - we can not use it for original purpose (storing kombucha and brews) Fridge should be fair game for anybody if food is left there. Miloh: Suggests Rayc has no idea what he's talking about. Josh: Response to zephyr - we are interested in aspiring hackers Kelly: If people in the space who are aspiring hackers, this should be evidenced by how much time they spend learning hacking vs using resources Jake: "if people misusing space, we should give them project" - i object to this, this makes the space less usable for people who have a genuine interest in hacking Kelly: Problem: We used to have small community, but now there is a subcommunity of people who have never been to tuesday night meetings/wiki/mailing list, we have no way of communicating with them. I have spent the past couple of weeks trying to meet people, having uncomfortable conversations. Also worked on [[Rooster_Brigade]]. "Snitches get stitches" It is okay to talk openly about people with behavior that is concerning. Maybe if we talk openly about these people we can see them as human beings. Zephyr: Exiled [[86#Jon(athan)|Jon]], received hostility for doing this. We need to be more trusting of people in Noisebridge to determine who is an oogle. (?1): We need more input from oogles, because i felt awkward about having this discussion about hypothetical people, we haven't really heard from any of these "oogles". James, Delta, Ashley (?2): It's not our job to speak up for these people: they know they can come here. They were here at the last meeting, and said nothing. (?1): I talked to one of them, and said he was in the space, but everyone talked so much that he didn't get the chance to talk. Would like to hear from someone who thinks it's appropriate to hang out here without doing any hacking. Addressing Amber, specifically. (Who is here!) Would like to hear her perspective. Amber: Says she is using the space for hacking. To me hacking is learning and just going at it as you're making things being creative and learning at the same time and incorporating everyone into that. so you guys may have a different definition of hacking. i am not a computer hacker, but i do use my own computer and i hack astrology and i'm [β¦] anyone who wants to learn more about that when they sit with me [β¦] Tom wants to set times to discussion items. Kelly suggests we defer food to another meeting. Talk more about people this week. No one objects. [[Rayc]] will add fridge as discussion for next week. Shannon: Response to amber: wish i had said what i was going to say earlier: every soup kitchen in tenderloin is full of people who are willing to listen to sermon to get a meal β it seems like we have people who are learning to talk like hackers so they can use our kitchen. (?3): Response to amber: Specifically, this space is about the creative use of technology. Consistent voice for noisebridge: we should do things in the realm of technology. We don't feel Astrology is the same thing. Tom: Proposes that we have a disagreement over what is Hacking. It seems it has to be related to technology. Ben: Hacking should be anything related to science: Tastebridge, as an example. Nick: First came to Noisebridge 6 months ago, before politics and drama. Seems to be a steady decline since I've been here. I believe we are far venturing from being a hackerspace, because we have a narrow definition of hacking. I spend most of my time in the woodshop making random stuff, and there's nothing wrong with me doing that. There's not much technology involved: I'm using my passion for working in my hands to hack in my own way. Kelly: We should avoid discussion of defining [[hack|hacking]]. If there's someone in the space who is doing something that they think is hacking but you disagree, we should all talk about it. Astrology is an enemy of hackers. It's a fundamentally unscientific approach of dealing with problems. Rayc: Our credo lists us as a space for science, technology, other things. It doesn't list anything about cooking/sleeping. Erik: Leaving aside what hacking is/is not, science should be part of the definition, and science is empirical. (1?): I don't object to the idea that we can hack with food, but I see people coming who are just here to eat, not to foodhack. Tom: we have open question of what hacking is, and discussion of this is not open to this meeting Shannon would love to lead a discussion of what hacking at on Wednesday (tomorrow) at 8pm.
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