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==== Solutions ==== Kelly would appreciate it if people could express things they have strong opinions about. There are people who believe that one person should not do-ocratically ban someone. We should know the parameters of the do-ocracy. Josh: When something breaks in debian, they fix the error, then they fix the policy. Translation in non-hacker-speak: Response to what Kelly was saying - I don't think people should be able to ban, but kicking someone out is totally do-ocratically possible. Miloh: Solution: We disband Noisebridge. Rachel: A year ago this meeting had 15 people in it, the latest few times it's had 30 people. Jake: Solution: We should agree here to empower people to ask others to leave noisebridge if: 1) they say noisebridge is not about hacking 2) they claim they are not responsible for people they bring in 3) if we ask them to explain themselves to the group (via meeting/email list, etc), and they choose not to Shannon is uncomfortable with making a list of things you can't say at Noisebridge. It's already been the practice at Noisebridge to ask disruptive people to leave (pending coming back to a meeting.) Believes Shannon is mistaken. Had a few people come up to me and claim that exiling John was unexcellent. SHANNON: IF SOMEONE IS BEING DISRUPTIVE OR OTHERWISE UNEXCELLENT IN THE SPACE, IT IS THE NOISEBRIDGE PRACTICE TO ASK THEM TO LEAVE AND NOT COME BACK UNTIL THE GROUP CAN DISCUSS THEIR BEHAVIOR. (he said that in all caps) (Nick): is impartial. there should be the possibility of throwing someone out of Noisebridge, but before that extreme action is taken there should be a number of warnings. it should be made very clear what their problem is, someone should go up to them and tell them what they are doing is unexcellent. Kelly: It's good to talk to people multiple times, but that should not always have to be one person. It should be distributed across people (?5): Queue system, strike system Rachel: My experience is not accurate from what Shannon is saying, people do sometimes come to meetings, we have a [[Mediation]] process. People have used it! The way we proceed does not include the stern/condescending tone Kelly: Majority of people in noisebridge feel they don't have the authority to say that to people. you have to have the balls to tell people they need to leave β most people don't feel comfortable with that. Miloh: Asks how many people have asked someone to leave. ~10 hands go up. (?2): Would like to expand on what Shannon said about asking people to come to a tuesday meeting, a persistent use of time that degrades the space is also a good reason to ask someone to come to a meeting Andrew: Door should have an AUP. (?7): We've historically tried to keep this short by saying to just be excellent. Leif: The list implies "because that's not on the list, it must be allowed!" Kelly: Noisebridge radically resists any attempt of codification of rules. We should make a bigger version of the paragraph that explains what Shannon: Telling someone to leave is a set of technical skills that can be learned. It is helpful to not be alone and be over 6' tall. Tom is happy to teach a workshop on this! (?): Me and Robert had a good idea that we could create a pamphlet so people have something more tangible, increase respect. (?8): Amber and everyone, it's pretty clear what you need to do to be cool with everyone here, it includes not bringing people over who are just going to loiter etc. Rayc: The pamphlet! If we create it and hand it out to people they will better understand Noisebridge policies. (?9): When you come here you have to do stuff, you can't just be a spectator. Zephyr: Like Shannon said, people are abusing the system, calling everything hacking. Miloh: There is a list of things people have created here. People might like it.
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