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= Instructions =
 
 
* Pick a moderator and a note-taker.
 
* Optionally: pick a membership-binder-wrangler; otherwise the moderator can take care of it.
 
 
== Note-taker ==
 
* Open a text editor to take notes on the major points of the meeting, using this page at the template.
 
* Project the draft meeting notes and agenda in real time throughout the meeting.
 
* Edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
 
* Edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.
 
* Post the meeting notes to this page, and email out a summary with a link.
 
* Tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.
 
 
== Moderator==
 
* Understand the structure of Noisebridge [[consensus|decision-making]]
 
* Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak.
 
* Speak only minimally yourself.
 
* Keep the meeting moving, and avoid getting bogged down.
 
* Identify discussion items, arrange times limits for talking about each item.
 
* Identify and summarize consensus, suggest things that need to be done.
 
* '''Get the [[membership binder]] and ensure that it is returned safely.'''
 
 
== Participants ==
 
* Say your name before you talk.
 
* Remain on-topic, and speak as concisely as possible.
 
* Assist the note-taker with any links or corrections that are needed.
 
* Remain respectful of other participants, their time, and the consensus and moderation process.
 
 
 
= Agenda =
 
= Agenda =
  
 
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 207th Meeting of Noisebridge]
 
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 207th Meeting of Noisebridge]
  
Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE
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Note-taker: [[user:wsargent]]
  
Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE
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Moderator: [[User:Tom]]
 
   
 
   
 
== Introduction and Names ==
 
== Introduction and Names ==
  
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to explain''' [[Noisebridge_Vision|what Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
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* "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.
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* '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.
* Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
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* Tom explains moderation process including finger waggling and one sentence responses
 
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
 
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
** What's your name,  
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** are you a member,
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* Tom (works for Mozilla)
** what do you do, and
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* Kelly (works for teh brains, treasures)
** if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?
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* Brian (met RMS!!!)
 +
* Matt (works on science)
 +
* Darlene New here
 +
* Bob writer
 +
* Skye
 +
* PrimerLab guy
 +
* Richard
 +
* Mike Kan
 +
* Carlos
 +
* Kaya
 +
* Andrew
 +
* Brannon
 +
* Esbin
 +
* Miloh ( cool flower)
 +
* Erica
 +
* Emily?
 +
* Carl working on iphone app
 +
* Rayc
 +
* Lief
 +
* Xena
 +
* [More people who names I did not get]
  
 
== Short Announcements ==
 
== Short Announcements ==
  
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
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* Xena: working on documentary called Participate -- please talk about Noisebridge and what it means to you -- everyone is welcome.
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
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* Stanford online classes just started - Numerical Algorithms, Cryptography, they are ****ing awesome and you should hop on noisebridge-discuss
 +
* MIT online courses also started. 
 +
* Special note: RMS is in the space selling stickers and chatting.
  
 
== New or Stale Events ==
 
== New or Stale Events ==
  
* Is there anything new happening at the space?
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* Five Minutes of Fame is coming up week after next.  Speakers wanted.
* Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
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* No contact info with the Free University -- the PKD event, do we know who they are?  Email?
* If this is the first meeting of the month, review all the [[Category:Events | events at the space]] and try to weed out stale events.
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* Useless dead tree publication (aka Zine) is still ongoing.
 +
* DR WHEN GAME: SuperQ was sponsor, people showed up for the game but no happen. Looking for a new sponsor: email discuss for more details.
  
 
== [[Membership Binder]] ==
 
== [[Membership Binder]] ==
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe''' the [[membership]] application process.
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* Harold Gaskill
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.
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** No sponsors
* Anyone eligible to join this week should
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** Plays with concrete, likes electronics and UAVs, makes "stuff"
** introduce themselves,
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* Carlos Sos
** answer any questions members may have for them, then
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** Gavin, Miloh, Jim
** leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime, or cookies) for the rest of the group.
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** I love space, community work, promoting it (Linux user group)
* The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
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* Casey Sey
* Remember to applaud new members when they return.
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** Lief, MCT
 +
** Because the planet remains unhacked
 +
* Daniel Jabor
 +
** Alex, Mitch
 +
** Life long hacker founded by Gates foundations, helps kids learn to hack
 +
** Organized PyschedelicSF.
 +
 
 +
No one eligible.
  
 
== Financial Report ==
 
== Financial Report ==
* Funds in bank:
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* Funds in bank: 19723.21
 +
Recently paid rent, had interim cash flow issues, now is better.
 +
* We have a bill from Sprint for ~$500.  Miloh thinks he knows who may be responsible.
 +
 
 
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
 
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
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$3432.37
 +
$16290.84
 +
colo service paid through March 7th.
 +
funds for 4 months of service.
 +
 +
Ben turned off a bunch of kitchen stuff to see how much power they consume.
 +
Breaking news, PGE is lame.
 +
Powergraph for last three months.
 +
- Bursts of power through the night, dead period between 2 and 6.
 +
- Baseline power on Saturday 2kw/H for two hours between 7 am to 9 am.
 +
- Kitchen clearly shows over baseline.
 +
- Ben and Kelly will do Science to it.
  
 
== Consensus items ==
 
== Consensus items ==
You may wish to '''invite a knowledgeable volunteer to repeat '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on the consensus process]].
 
  
 
=== Proposals from last week ===
 
=== Proposals from last week ===
  
''(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''
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Some old ass proposals on the list weren't cleaned up:
 +
 
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* That Noisebridge reimburse Mr SuperQ for the remainder of the cost of the wire trays, after donations this week. (Wire trays cost $930, donations so far $100). SuperQ will write to the noisebridge-discuss list and the treasurer and the treasurer will take care of it. C0NSENSED.
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* That Noisebridge reimburse Mitch for 6,000 Noisebridge stickers that he bought and paid for from Sticker Giant. 3,000 small Noisebridge stickers: $333.91 + 3,000 large Noisebridge stickers: $421.17 + shipping: $20 -- Total: $775.08 CONSENSED.
  
 
=== Proposals for next week ===
 
=== Proposals for next week ===
  
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''
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None.
  
 
== Discussion Items ==
 
== Discussion Items ==
  
If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be postponed until after the meeting ends.
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* Katherine brings up issue with Jesse's interaction with people.
 
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** Morning day shift person.  Regretfully brings [[drama]].
During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exact what each person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on the discuss page for this meeting.
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** Problem with Occupy.  Recent surge with people wanting remove all non-hackers from the space. 
 +
** Guy named Jesse (not a member) big guy, black hair.  Removing non-hackers, but that's fine.  HOW he is doing it is a problem.
 +
** Caused woman to leave the space upset and in tears.  Consistently treating people very badly.
 +
** Katherine talked to him, his response was "I'm an asshole, deal with it."
 +
** Tom explains system for discussion.  Proposes time limit of 15 minutes.  10 minutes?  Will stop at 9:15.
 +
** Ron: has met this woman, is autistic and has issues.  Need to be sensitive and deal appropriately.
 +
** Gavin: many things could cause the reaction in autistic people.
 +
** Kath: Jesse approached K, was clearly informed of autism.  Refused to acknowledge gender, "wildly insane and retarded" in interaction.
 +
** Rayc: She started crying before any of that happened, when Jesse asked Niall to leave the space respectively. Was sitting NEXT to Niall.  He was helping the Niall thing, that's when it happened.
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** Kath: Niall is one of the first people she started interacted with.  Was afraid, based on previous interaction.  "Just wanted to be Jesse's friend."
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** Jesse arrives.
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** Jesse: interaction with Niall at the gate, not wanting to let him in.  N wanted to get his stuff, "Is N in trouble?" J: "Not in trouble, he needs to hang out somewhere else."  J: "Be a good thing to come to one of these meetings."
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** J: The "retarded" conversation happened the previous day.
 +
** J: Katherine did not want Jesse to talk to person.  J not sure about gender talking to K.
 +
** K: that was one conversation.  Discussion of following conversations were more personal.
 +
** Tom: to K, it sounds like you don't want specific action to Noisebridge.  Are you comfortable moving to mediation going forwards?
 +
** Kelly: is there anyone happy to proxy? 
 +
** Tom: We can proxy if mediation is unsuccessful, Kelly is happy to mediate.
 +
** Karl: noted conversation of "insanity" after woman left, could have been done calmer and more appropriately.
 +
** Miloh: NB has to be a safe space for all people, transgender or not.
 +
** Tom(with cap, not moderating): Call for sensitivity.
 +
** Jesse: No problem with transgender.
 +
** Kelly: agree with miloh and points out that NB is sandbox where we encounter people who are different from us.
 +
** Rayc: totally agrees with Miloh on safety.
 +
** Jesse: problem is that there's a mentally ill person at the space.
 +
** Miloh: reminded of someone who was mentally ill recently at the space (K: was intense).  Have Mediator dialogue.
 +
** Tom: add something to community standard page about this.  We are already beyond time.
 +
** Rayc: she has been several times, caught sleeping here once, not contributing to the space.
 +
** Katherine: this is past tense, she is never coming back, is afraid.
 +
** Kelly: not the first time we have had issues with how to handle living space discussions.  She is getting lots of back channel emails rather, and the culture of excellence is weakest in the dark hours.  It's a very small population that come in and check in.
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** Tom: often requires a lot of personal strength to ask someone to leave the space.  It's a tricky job.
  
Discussion item for consensus for next weekThat Noisebridge reimburse Mitch for 6,000 Noisebridge stickers that he bought and paid for from Sticker Giant. 3,000 small Noisebridge stickers: $333.91 + 3,000 large Noisebridge stickers: $421.17 + shipping: $20 -- Total: $775.08  [[User:Maltman23|Mitch]]
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* Rayc brings drama with Justin.
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** Rayc: I was assaulted twice yesterday, no longer feel safe in the space.
 +
** Tom: can this be dealt with by mediation?
 +
** Justin: I have dealt with this by email, okay to read email from the discuss-list?
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** Rayc: Justin was banging dishes and was asked to leave the space. Nick, Eric, Zach all agreed that Justin was out of countrol and should leave the space.  Eric and Nick asked him to leave, Pearl overheard the yelling in kitchen, another one was recording the entire incident.  The whole thing was recorded on video.  Rayc didn't ask him to leave directly.  He was spit on by Justin.
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Miloh: did you spit on him?  Were you drunk in the space?
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Justin: I feel that if an individual makes a mistake, even if it is technically a criminal activity, he should have the right to continue coming to the space.  I did some things that were irresponsible.  I did not feel guilty or ashamed or repressed about any of it, but I will only feel bad if I repeat that offense, and I would only do that again if I felt those feeling again.  I personally felt like I was being mistreated.  The only reason I got up and left was because Pearl came up and nicely told me I was causing drama.  I think that that's more than fair when dealing with people from the occupy movement -- I can go up and yell at people and they're not going to be co-operative about it.
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Tom: This is not an issue that can be resolved at this meeting.  I am asking that you do not return until meditation is complete.
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Justin: that's a fair proposal, but I don't want to force mediation unless both parties agree with it. And if rayc doesn't want to engage in it, then I don't want to talk
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(Much crosstalk)
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Tom: It may take some time before this can be meditated.
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Rayc: it took 4 people to get him to leave the space.
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Tom: I am volunteering to mediate between you two.  For the next week, Justin does not return until mediation has concluded.
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Rayc: No.
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Tom: would you feel safe if justin did not return until after mediation process
 +
Rayc: possibility of mediation is out there, but Justin does not return until meditation is completed.
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Justin: has a better idea - he just leaves Rayc alone and he hasn't burned all his social bridges.
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Tom: You should not be in the space until Rayc feels safe.
 +
Rayc: wants to leave for five minutes.
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Miloh: Rayc and Justin -- take a break from Noisebridge, both of you, you've been in fights
 +
Rayc: is not happy with this idea.
 +
Tom: Miloh is asking if you would LIKE to leave, Justin is being TOLD to leave.
 +
Justin says he feels it's wrong that he made two mistakes and is being told to leave as a result, as he feels everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
 +
Tom: says assaulted twice, sounds like a good reason.
 +
BritishGuy: Justin has described himself as alcohol, no treatment, a good place to start might be treatment.
 +
Tom: wrap up, please don't leave until speaking to both people.
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Meanwhile, RMS is in the back ACTUALLY HACKING.
  
 
== End of Meeting ==
 
== End of Meeting ==
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
 
* Return the [[membership binder]] to it's rightful location.
 
* Clean and tidy the meeting notes, then save them to the wiki.
 
* Send a summary of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
 
* Enjoy the company of your fellow hacker or robot.
 
* Discuss any items for which there was not time during the meeting.
 
  
 
[[Category:Meeting Notes]]
 
[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Revision as of 19:58, 7 March 2012

Contents

Agenda

The 207th Meeting of Noisebridge

Note-taker: user:wsargent

Moderator: User:Tom

Introduction and Names

  • "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
  • a brief primer on consensus process: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.
  • Tom explains moderation process including finger waggling and one sentence responses
  • Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
  • Tom (works for Mozilla)
  • Kelly (works for teh brains, treasures)
  • Brian (met RMS!!!)
  • Matt (works on science)
  • Darlene New here
  • Bob writer
  • Skye
  • PrimerLab guy
  • Richard
  • Mike Kan
  • Carlos
  • Kaya
  • Andrew
  • Brannon
  • Esbin
  • Miloh ( cool flower)
  • Erica
  • Emily?
  • Carl working on iphone app
  • Rayc
  • Lief
  • Xena
  • [More people who names I did not get]

Short Announcements

  • Xena: working on documentary called Participate -- please talk about Noisebridge and what it means to you -- everyone is welcome.
  • Stanford online classes just started - Numerical Algorithms, Cryptography, they are ****ing awesome and you should hop on noisebridge-discuss
  • MIT online courses also started.
  • Special note: RMS is in the space selling stickers and chatting.

New or Stale Events

  • Five Minutes of Fame is coming up week after next. Speakers wanted.
  • No contact info with the Free University -- the PKD event, do we know who they are? Email?
  • Useless dead tree publication (aka Zine) is still ongoing.
  • DR WHEN GAME: SuperQ was sponsor, people showed up for the game but no happen. Looking for a new sponsor: email discuss for more details.

Membership Binder

  • Harold Gaskill
    • No sponsors
    • Plays with concrete, likes electronics and UAVs, makes "stuff"
  • Carlos Sos
    • Gavin, Miloh, Jim
    • I love space, community work, promoting it (Linux user group)
  • Casey Sey
    • Lief, MCT
    • Because the planet remains unhacked
  • Daniel Jabor
    • Alex, Mitch
    • Life long hacker founded by Gates foundations, helps kids learn to hack
    • Organized PyschedelicSF.

No one eligible.

Financial Report

  • Funds in bank: 19723.21

Recently paid rent, had interim cash flow issues, now is better.

  • We have a bill from Sprint for ~$500. Miloh thinks he knows who may be responsible.

$3432.37 $16290.84 colo service paid through March 7th. funds for 4 months of service.

Ben turned off a bunch of kitchen stuff to see how much power they consume. Breaking news, PGE is lame. Powergraph for last three months. - Bursts of power through the night, dead period between 2 and 6. - Baseline power on Saturday 2kw/H for two hours between 7 am to 9 am. - Kitchen clearly shows over baseline. - Ben and Kelly will do Science to it.

Consensus items

Proposals from last week

Some old ass proposals on the list weren't cleaned up:

  • That Noisebridge reimburse Mr SuperQ for the remainder of the cost of the wire trays, after donations this week. (Wire trays cost $930, donations so far $100). SuperQ will write to the noisebridge-discuss list and the treasurer and the treasurer will take care of it. C0NSENSED.
  • That Noisebridge reimburse Mitch for 6,000 Noisebridge stickers that he bought and paid for from Sticker Giant. 3,000 small Noisebridge stickers: $333.91 + 3,000 large Noisebridge stickers: $421.17 + shipping: $20 -- Total: $775.08 CONSENSED.

Proposals for next week

None.

Discussion Items

  • Katherine brings up issue with Jesse's interaction with people.
    • Morning day shift person. Regretfully brings drama.
    • Problem with Occupy. Recent surge with people wanting remove all non-hackers from the space.
    • Guy named Jesse (not a member) big guy, black hair. Removing non-hackers, but that's fine. HOW he is doing it is a problem.
    • Caused woman to leave the space upset and in tears. Consistently treating people very badly.
    • Katherine talked to him, his response was "I'm an asshole, deal with it."
    • Tom explains system for discussion. Proposes time limit of 15 minutes. 10 minutes? Will stop at 9:15.
    • Ron: has met this woman, is autistic and has issues. Need to be sensitive and deal appropriately.
    • Gavin: many things could cause the reaction in autistic people.
    • Kath: Jesse approached K, was clearly informed of autism. Refused to acknowledge gender, "wildly insane and retarded" in interaction.
    • Rayc: She started crying before any of that happened, when Jesse asked Niall to leave the space respectively. Was sitting NEXT to Niall. He was helping the Niall thing, that's when it happened.
    • Kath: Niall is one of the first people she started interacted with. Was afraid, based on previous interaction. "Just wanted to be Jesse's friend."
    • Jesse arrives.
    • Jesse: interaction with Niall at the gate, not wanting to let him in. N wanted to get his stuff, "Is N in trouble?" J: "Not in trouble, he needs to hang out somewhere else." J: "Be a good thing to come to one of these meetings."
    • J: The "retarded" conversation happened the previous day.
    • J: Katherine did not want Jesse to talk to person. J not sure about gender talking to K.
    • K: that was one conversation. Discussion of following conversations were more personal.
    • Tom: to K, it sounds like you don't want specific action to Noisebridge. Are you comfortable moving to mediation going forwards?
    • Kelly: is there anyone happy to proxy?
    • Tom: We can proxy if mediation is unsuccessful, Kelly is happy to mediate.
    • Karl: noted conversation of "insanity" after woman left, could have been done calmer and more appropriately.
    • Miloh: NB has to be a safe space for all people, transgender or not.
    • Tom(with cap, not moderating): Call for sensitivity.
    • Jesse: No problem with transgender.
    • Kelly: agree with miloh and points out that NB is sandbox where we encounter people who are different from us.
    • Rayc: totally agrees with Miloh on safety.
    • Jesse: problem is that there's a mentally ill person at the space.
    • Miloh: reminded of someone who was mentally ill recently at the space (K: was intense). Have Mediator dialogue.
    • Tom: add something to community standard page about this. We are already beyond time.
    • Rayc: she has been several times, caught sleeping here once, not contributing to the space.
    • Katherine: this is past tense, she is never coming back, is afraid.
    • Kelly: not the first time we have had issues with how to handle living space discussions. She is getting lots of back channel emails rather, and the culture of excellence is weakest in the dark hours. It's a very small population that come in and check in.
    • Tom: often requires a lot of personal strength to ask someone to leave the space. It's a tricky job.
  • Rayc brings drama with Justin.
    • Rayc: I was assaulted twice yesterday, no longer feel safe in the space.
    • Tom: can this be dealt with by mediation?
    • Justin: I have dealt with this by email, okay to read email from the discuss-list?
    • Rayc: Justin was banging dishes and was asked to leave the space. Nick, Eric, Zach all agreed that Justin was out of countrol and should leave the space. Eric and Nick asked him to leave, Pearl overheard the yelling in kitchen, another one was recording the entire incident. The whole thing was recorded on video. Rayc didn't ask him to leave directly. He was spit on by Justin.

Miloh: did you spit on him? Were you drunk in the space? Justin: I feel that if an individual makes a mistake, even if it is technically a criminal activity, he should have the right to continue coming to the space. I did some things that were irresponsible. I did not feel guilty or ashamed or repressed about any of it, but I will only feel bad if I repeat that offense, and I would only do that again if I felt those feeling again. I personally felt like I was being mistreated. The only reason I got up and left was because Pearl came up and nicely told me I was causing drama. I think that that's more than fair when dealing with people from the occupy movement -- I can go up and yell at people and they're not going to be co-operative about it. Tom: This is not an issue that can be resolved at this meeting. I am asking that you do not return until meditation is complete. Justin: that's a fair proposal, but I don't want to force mediation unless both parties agree with it. And if rayc doesn't want to engage in it, then I don't want to talk (Much crosstalk) Tom: It may take some time before this can be meditated. Rayc: it took 4 people to get him to leave the space. Tom: I am volunteering to mediate between you two. For the next week, Justin does not return until mediation has concluded. Rayc: No. Tom: would you feel safe if justin did not return until after mediation process Rayc: possibility of mediation is out there, but Justin does not return until meditation is completed. Justin: has a better idea - he just leaves Rayc alone and he hasn't burned all his social bridges. Tom: You should not be in the space until Rayc feels safe. Rayc: wants to leave for five minutes. Miloh: Rayc and Justin -- take a break from Noisebridge, both of you, you've been in fights Rayc: is not happy with this idea. Tom: Miloh is asking if you would LIKE to leave, Justin is being TOLD to leave. Justin says he feels it's wrong that he made two mistakes and is being told to leave as a result, as he feels everyone makes mistakes sometimes. Tom: says assaulted twice, sounds like a good reason. BritishGuy: Justin has described himself as alcohol, no treatment, a good place to start might be treatment. Tom: wrap up, please don't leave until speaking to both people. Meanwhile, RMS is in the back ACTUALLY HACKING.

End of Meeting

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