Meeting Notes 2012 05 29

From Noisebridge
(Difference between revisions)
Jump to: navigation, search
(Proposals for next week: Ban Rob 2.0)
m (Discussion Items)
 
(7 intermediate revisions by 4 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
= Instructions =
 
* '''Delete these instructions section before posting completed minutes.'''
 
* Pick a moderator and a note-taker.
 
* Optionally: pick a membership-binder-wrangler; otherwise the moderator can take care of it.
 
 
== Note-taker ==
 
* Open a text editor to take notes on the major points of the meeting, using this page at the template.
 
* Project the draft meeting notes and agenda in real time throughout the meeting.
 
* Edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
 
* Edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.
 
* Post the meeting notes to this page, and email out a summary with a link.
 
* Tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.
 
 
== Moderator==
 
* Understand the structure of Noisebridge [[consensus|decision-making]]
 
* Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak.
 
* Speak only minimally yourself.
 
* Keep the meeting moving, and avoid getting bogged down.
 
* Identify discussion items, arrange times limits for talking about each item.
 
* Identify and summarize consensus, suggest things that need to be done.
 
* '''Get the [[membership binder]] and ensure that it is returned safely.'''
 
 
== Participants ==
 
* Say your name before you talk.
 
* Remain on-topic, and speak as concisely as possible.
 
* Assist the note-taker with any links or corrections that are needed.
 
* Remain respectful of other participants, their time, and the consensus and moderation process.
 
 
 
= Agenda =
 
= Agenda =
  
 
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 218th Meeting of Noisebridge]
 
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 218th Meeting of Noisebridge]
  
Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE
+
Note-taker: [[User:Malaclyps Malaclyps]]
  
Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE
+
Moderator: [[User:Miloh Miloh]]
 
   
 
   
 
== Introduction and Names ==
 
== Introduction and Names ==
Line 42: Line 14:
 
* Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
 
* Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
 
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
 
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
** What's your name,  
+
 
** are you a member,
+
* Snail
** what do you do, and
+
* Tom, fights for the user
** if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?
+
* Leif, really likes the go stones
 +
* Cobalt, I fight against a user
 +
* Will, I fight for the Operating System
 +
* Zephyr fights for the interrupt vector table
 +
* Danny, he is editing this page
 +
* Erica, first time at Noisebridge
 +
* Dave, builds robots
 +
* Halley, do etextiles
 +
* Mike, technowandering
 +
* Claudia, how to use a sub template for wordpress
 +
* adam, web dev
 +
* Eric, pina coladas
 +
* Nick, is here
 +
* Liz, 3D printing
 +
* Kevin
 +
* Dana, working arduino based irrigation system
 +
* Jake, working on various radiation hazards
 +
* Daniella, juuuust a memmmmmber of
 +
* Consenso, I will one day rule you all
 +
* Juli, just discovered community
 +
* Michel, sociologist writing a book on hackerspaces, especially noisebridge
 +
* Kim, crowdsource democracy
  
 
== Short Announcements ==
 
== Short Announcements ==
 +
 
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
 
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
 +
 
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
 
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
  
== New or Stale Events ==
+
* New Free School at 3265 17th Street, teaching Franch 4-6. Saturdays 12-4 bike workshop, so they're going to take the overflow.
* Is there anything new happening at the space?
+
 
* Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
+
* Mozilla is kicking off a summer of coding to teach people how to develop for the web. We're kicking it off in a couple of weekends time. 24th June, starting at 3pm -- we're having a party RIGHT HERE. Meet people, find projects. Any questions ask Tom.
* If this is the first meeting of the month, review all the [[Category:Events | events at the space]] and try to weed out stale events.
+
 
 +
* Corey talks about his project partly fnded by a exploratorium grant. It's a walking robot with a native ecosystem on its back.
 +
 
 +
* Danny announces that social-engineering is going to be devoted to Consenso building.
  
 
*'''24-June-2012, Sunday''', 15:00: Mozilla [[Webmakers]] Hackjam: Kicking off [https://webmaker.org/ Mozilla's Summer Web Party] for Webmakers with a hack jam. Learn about the Webmakers project and the Summer Code party, discover the power of the web, and see how you can put your [[Frontend Web Development]] skills to good use!
 
*'''24-June-2012, Sunday''', 15:00: Mozilla [[Webmakers]] Hackjam: Kicking off [https://webmaker.org/ Mozilla's Summer Web Party] for Webmakers with a hack jam. Learn about the Webmakers project and the Summer Code party, discover the power of the web, and see how you can put your [[Frontend Web Development]] skills to good use!
Line 70: Line 68:
  
 
== Financial Report ==
 
== Financial Report ==
* Funds in bank:
+
* Funds in bank: $18125.77 -- lower than we would like.
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
+
* NoiseTor $2165.20
  
 
== Consensus items ==
 
== Consensus items ==
Line 88: Line 86:
 
== Discussion Items ==
 
== Discussion Items ==
  
If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be postponed until after the meeting ends.
+
* Rob 2.0
 +
 
 +
Cobalt says that Rob 2.0 only deals with people on IRC.
 +
Jake says Rob said that Mitch said he could come to the space. We clarify that Mitch has not said anything of the sort to Rob.
 +
 
 +
Cobalt says: we did do mediation, me and Kelly, I felt that he got an idea of
 +
what was going on. I don't know if he necessarily was comfortable going
 +
forward. I didn't have time. From Rob's point of view, he's not a sketchy dude. I consider myself a social engineer and a creepy dude. I've dealt with Rob 2.0. In my personal opinion, we've had worse issues.
 +
 
 +
Tom says: So, about six months ago, Noisebridge reached consensus that Rob 2.0
 +
was not welcome in the space pending mediation. Since that time, he has been
 +
unable to conclude any effective mediation. Kelly has not made attempts at
 +
mediation, and despite recently considering her being a non-neutral moderator,
 +
has not made attempts to find a new moderator. Despite being unwelcome at
 +
Noisebridge, he's repeatedly turned up. That combination of defying the
 +
consensus and failing to make meaningful attempts to fix the problems.
 +
 
 +
Monad proposes that it not be permanent, but based on him doing something to
 +
remediate himself.
 +
 
 +
Danny points out we've put in a "until further notice" in the last banning to cover this eventuality. He'll look at the historical record to find out what the langage was.
 +
 
 +
Kelly says that she had a few phone calls, and he was paranoid and
 +
uncooperative. Any time she tried to discuss his actual behavior. His favourite topic was Rubin stealing his rack. We explained that was within the parameters of Noisebridge.
 +
 
 +
Miloh says a ban doesn't change his actual behaviour.
 +
 
 +
Tom thinks a ban needs to be a stronger statement to help fix the behaviour.
 +
 
 +
Will says he can corroborate what Kelly says: he is very averse to talking about his own behaviour.
 +
 
 +
Jake said that Rob turned up 3.30am, and I told Rob he had to go, and he tried
 +
to talk his way out of it. I asked him are you refusing to leave. And he left.
 +
He was saying "What's your problem with you? Who are you to represent the whole hackerspace". It will make it very clear to him.
 +
 
 +
Kelly stated that Rob responded with rob us, hack "our shit", get the police
 +
involved. Kelly does not want to be mediator.
 +
 
 +
* Criminousness. Danny would like to point out that you shouldn't conduct criminal activities on Noisebridge, and to do so there is a general consensus that it befits an insta-banning.
 +
 
 +
* Miloh has been receiving donations on behalf of Noisebridge, that would be  then sold for Noisebridge funds. Kelly is uncomfortable with this. The treasurer hasn't verified it. Kelly is worried about obligations. If it comes in with cash, it's very simple. If it comes in with kind, disposing is not an easy. Kelly's principle concern is that she's not competent.
  
During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exact what each person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on the discuss page for this meeting.
+
* Miloh offers to pay for a CPA. Danny suggests working with Internet Archive.
  
 
== End of Meeting ==
 
== End of Meeting ==

Latest revision as of 11:08, 2 June 2012

Contents

[edit] Agenda

The 218th Meeting of Noisebridge

Note-taker: User:Malaclyps Malaclyps

Moderator: User:Miloh Miloh

[edit] Introduction and Names

Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
  • Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give a brief primer on consensus process: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.
  • Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
  • Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
  • Snail
  • Tom, fights for the user
  • Leif, really likes the go stones
  • Cobalt, I fight against a user
  • Will, I fight for the Operating System
  • Zephyr fights for the interrupt vector table
  • Danny, he is editing this page
  • Erica, first time at Noisebridge
  • Dave, builds robots
  • Halley, do etextiles
  • Mike, technowandering
  • Claudia, how to use a sub template for wordpress
  • adam, web dev
  • Eric, pina coladas
  • Nick, is here
  • Liz, 3D printing
  • Kevin
  • Dana, working arduino based irrigation system
  • Jake, working on various radiation hazards
  • Daniella, juuuust a memmmmmber of
  • Consenso, I will one day rule you all
  • Juli, just discovered community
  • Michel, sociologist writing a book on hackerspaces, especially noisebridge
  • Kim, crowdsource democracy

[edit] Short Announcements

  • Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
  • Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
  • New Free School at 3265 17th Street, teaching Franch 4-6. Saturdays 12-4 bike workshop, so they're going to take the overflow.
  • Mozilla is kicking off a summer of coding to teach people how to develop for the web. We're kicking it off in a couple of weekends time. 24th June, starting at 3pm -- we're having a party RIGHT HERE. Meet people, find projects. Any questions ask Tom.
  • Corey talks about his project partly fnded by a exploratorium grant. It's a walking robot with a native ecosystem on its back.
  • Danny announces that social-engineering is going to be devoted to Consenso building.

[edit] Membership Binder

  • Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe membership, and the application process.
Being a member of Noisebridge is not like being a member of a gym or your local chess club. Anyone can come to Noisebridge to hack and learn: you don't need to be a member for that. At Noisebridge, membership is something different: it means taking responsibility and committing to help to maintain, improve, and govern Noisebridge. As a member of Noisebridge, you don't just come here to hack and learn, you actively work to improve what you see around you, help to deal with problems, and make this community better than it is today.
  • Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.
  • Anyone eligible to join this week should
    • introduce themselves,
    • answer any questions members may have for them, then
    • leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime, or cookies) for the rest of the group.
  • The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
  • Remember to applaud new members when they return.

[edit] Financial Report

  • Funds in bank: $18125.77 -- lower than we would like.
  • NoiseTor $2165.20

[edit] Consensus items

You may wish to invite a knowledgeable volunteer to repeat a brief primer on the consensus process.

[edit] Proposals from last week

(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the Consensus Items History page.)

[edit] Proposals for next week

(Add any new items for consensus to the Current Consensus Items page.)

  • Proposal: ban Rob 2.0 because he has not attempted mediation, and keeps coming to Noisebridge even though he's not welcome here.

[edit] Discussion Items

  • Rob 2.0

Cobalt says that Rob 2.0 only deals with people on IRC. Jake says Rob said that Mitch said he could come to the space. We clarify that Mitch has not said anything of the sort to Rob.

Cobalt says: we did do mediation, me and Kelly, I felt that he got an idea of what was going on. I don't know if he necessarily was comfortable going forward. I didn't have time. From Rob's point of view, he's not a sketchy dude. I consider myself a social engineer and a creepy dude. I've dealt with Rob 2.0. In my personal opinion, we've had worse issues.

Tom says: So, about six months ago, Noisebridge reached consensus that Rob 2.0 was not welcome in the space pending mediation. Since that time, he has been unable to conclude any effective mediation. Kelly has not made attempts at mediation, and despite recently considering her being a non-neutral moderator, has not made attempts to find a new moderator. Despite being unwelcome at Noisebridge, he's repeatedly turned up. That combination of defying the consensus and failing to make meaningful attempts to fix the problems.

Monad proposes that it not be permanent, but based on him doing something to remediate himself.

Danny points out we've put in a "until further notice" in the last banning to cover this eventuality. He'll look at the historical record to find out what the langage was.

Kelly says that she had a few phone calls, and he was paranoid and uncooperative. Any time she tried to discuss his actual behavior. His favourite topic was Rubin stealing his rack. We explained that was within the parameters of Noisebridge.

Miloh says a ban doesn't change his actual behaviour.

Tom thinks a ban needs to be a stronger statement to help fix the behaviour.

Will says he can corroborate what Kelly says: he is very averse to talking about his own behaviour.

Jake said that Rob turned up 3.30am, and I told Rob he had to go, and he tried to talk his way out of it. I asked him are you refusing to leave. And he left. He was saying "What's your problem with you? Who are you to represent the whole hackerspace". It will make it very clear to him.

Kelly stated that Rob responded with rob us, hack "our shit", get the police involved. Kelly does not want to be mediator.

  • Criminousness. Danny would like to point out that you shouldn't conduct criminal activities on Noisebridge, and to do so there is a general consensus that it befits an insta-banning.
  • Miloh has been receiving donations on behalf of Noisebridge, that would be then sold for Noisebridge funds. Kelly is uncomfortable with this. The treasurer hasn't verified it. Kelly is worried about obligations. If it comes in with cash, it's very simple. If it comes in with kind, disposing is not an easy. Kelly's principle concern is that she's not competent.
  • Miloh offers to pay for a CPA. Danny suggests working with Internet Archive.

[edit] End of Meeting

  • PGP Key Signing could happen now, check the list to see who wants in on the action.
  • Return the membership binder to it's rightful location.
  • Clean and tidy the meeting notes, then save them to the wiki.
  • Send a summary of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
  • Enjoy the company of your fellow hacker or robot.
  • Discuss any items for which there was not time during the meeting.
Personal tools