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= Instructions =
 
= Instructions =
* '''Delete these instructions section before posting completed minutes.'''
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Moderator: [User:Miloh]
* Pick a moderator and a note-taker.
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Notes: Anonymoose I"M HELPING (We collectively took these notes at [https://pad.riseup.net/p/noisemeetingfuck])
* Optionally: pick a membership-binder-wrangler; otherwise the moderator can take care of it.
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== Note-taker ==
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* Open a text editor to take notes on the major points of the meeting, using this page at the template.
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* Project the draft meeting notes and agenda in real time throughout the meeting.
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* Edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
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* Edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.
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* Post the meeting notes to this page, and email out a summary with a link.
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* Tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.
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== Moderator==
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* Understand the structure of Noisebridge [[consensus|decision-making]]
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* Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak.
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* Speak only minimally yourself.
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* Keep the meeting moving, and avoid getting bogged down.
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* Identify discussion items, arrange times limits for talking about each item.
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* Identify and summarize consensus, suggest things that need to be done.
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* '''Get the [[membership binder]] and ensure that it is returned safely.'''
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== Participants ==
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* Say your name before you talk.
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* Remain on-topic, and speak as concisely as possible.
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* Assist the note-taker with any links or corrections that are needed.
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* Remain respectful of other participants, their time, and the consensus and moderation process.
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= Agenda =
 
= Agenda =
 
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[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 222 1/2nd Meeting of Noisebridge]
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 222nd Meeting of Noisebridge]
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Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE
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Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE
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== Introduction and Names ==
 
== Introduction and Names ==
 
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[[Noisebridge_Vision|what Noisebridge is about]]
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to explain''' [[Noisebridge_Vision|what Noisebridge is about]]:
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* Noisebridge is about sharing
<blockquote>Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."</blockquote>
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* Noisebridge is a space, in San Francisco, that's an infrastructure for technically technical of technology about topics of tech
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.
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* Welcome to Noisebridge, a hacker space, part of the recent hacker space movement wave. We're a 501 I see you pee non profit, we have a consensus process
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<blockquote>"Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."</blockquote>
 
* Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
 
* Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
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* Consensus is this process is this robot that lives that's named consenso, that makes decions, that makes shit up.
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* The robot is controlling us all
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* We agree with nudity
 
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
 
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
** What's your name,
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* Miloh
** are you a member,
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* Hao is making an opensource robotic assistant (DORAbot) that can load dishwasher in NB.
** what do you do, and
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* Danny - Making a little robot in his pants
** if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?
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* Isis -- is hacking on EVERYTHING
 
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* Tom --
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* Eric is beat boxing and writing a long email and learning about SQL
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* Leif, founder of BEERCOIN
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* Carlos, writing a paper of the influence of Wu-Tang Clan in Latino culture
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* Snail, and that is about it  _@_y
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* SuperQ
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* Ruben sammich
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* Nick hacks
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* Some guy
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* Wane works with pics
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* Jessy Masturbating the fine art
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* Corey
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* Brian yeah
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* Eric
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* Dillion workiing on the video projects
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* Reuben
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* Daina
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* Chris -- it's his first day here. Malaclyps whoops.
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* Monad, he made the awesome mobiles above your head
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* Mattek Some guys from Warsaw, can't spell their names
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* JOHN IS SPEAKING ALL IN CAPS
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* Micahel Sociologist
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* Mike tech
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nowander
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* Stew
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* miloh says there are a lot of people, running it like a podcast
 
== Short Announcements ==
 
== Short Announcements ==
 
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
 
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
 
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
 
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
 
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* Miloh is talking about stickers, do we want to send stickers to Jigsaw Renaissance for archival? Yes we do, Liz is volunteered.
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* Tom wants to buy a bunch of random number generators, talk to him if you want to buy them. You can buy them in Bitcoin.
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* Miloh wants to hack them
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* Tom says they're great stocking stuffers
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* They're 35 USD Pounds
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* Look at tea leaves with Miloh
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Hao is making PCB with MAXNC CNC machine, to help the DORA opensource robot project http://dorabot.com Contact Hao if interested, he's in NB almost everyday, start from afternoon.
 
'''This Thursday June 28th, 19:00-22:00 @ Noisebridge: [[ZiP]] is hosting a testplay of a new, in-development satirical board game''' in the NB cafe or hackitorium, space permitting. At this point we only need 1 or 2 more players to make 2 games of 4 players each. Message '''fristoe-at-gmail.com''' for more info.
 
'''This Thursday June 28th, 19:00-22:00 @ Noisebridge: [[ZiP]] is hosting a testplay of a new, in-development satirical board game''' in the NB cafe or hackitorium, space permitting. At this point we only need 1 or 2 more players to make 2 games of 4 players each. Message '''fristoe-at-gmail.com''' for more info.
 
 
==For June 26th, 2012:  ==
 
==For June 26th, 2012:  ==
<b>Noisebridge send up some stickers to Robin and Willow yo!<br>
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'''Noisebridge send up some stickers to Robin and Willow yo!'''<br>
Hacker/Maker Space Sticker Swap v 1.1</b>
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'''Hacker/Maker Space Sticker Swap v 1.1'''
 
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WHO: Members of Hacker and Maker Spaces
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WHAT: Sticker Swap 1.1
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WHERE: via  mail... you remember... the thing that uses stamps
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WHEN: Due into Robin's hot little hands by July 30, 2012, you should receive your sticker collection mid-August
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WHY: To amass a collection of stickers from hacker and maker spaces all over the world and redistribute them to people who send in stickers
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HOW:
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Grab 100+ stickers from your space, toss in an envelope to Jigsaw Renaissance; Attn Sticker Swap 1.1; PO Box 14113; Seattle, WA  98114 with $4USD for US addresses, $8USD for non-US addresses. You can also send money to treasurer@jigsawrenaissance.org via Amazon Payments or Paypal.
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Add yourself (especially your address) to this. Apparently some never got there last time - I think it might have been due to miss-transfered addresses.
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QUESTIONS: robin at jigsawrenaissance dotorg
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Got cool swag besides stickers that you want to swap? Shoot her an email and she'll keep track of everyone's swag to see if we have enough to swap.
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WHO: Members of Hacker and Maker Spaces<br>
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WHAT: Sticker Swap 1.1<br>
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WHERE: via  mail... you remember... the thing that uses stamps<br>
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WHEN: Due into Robin's hot little hands by July 30, 2012, you should receive your sticker collection mid-August<br>
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WHY: To amass a collection of stickers from hacker and maker spaces all over the world and redistribute them to people who send in stickers<br>
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HOW:
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Grab 100+ stickers from your space, toss in an envelope to Jigsaw Renaissance; Attn Sticker Swap 1.1; PO Box 14113; Seattle, WA  98114 with $4USD for US addresses, $8USD for non-US addresses. You can also send money to treasurer@jigsawrenaissance.org via Amazon Payments or Paypal.<br>
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Add yourself (especially your address) to this. Apparently some never got there last time - I think it might have been due to miss-transfered addresses.<br>
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QUESTIONS: robin at jigsawrenaissance dotorg<br>
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Got cool swag besides stickers that you want to swap? Shoot her an email and she'll keep track of everyone's swag to see if we have enough to swap.<br>
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Open source robotic dish loader for the dish washer, by How. He's using the CNC mill to do this, if you're interested in making a robot arm, talk to him. http://dorabot.com
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* Toorcamp is happening
 
== New or Stale Events ==
 
== New or Stale Events ==
 
* Is there anything new happening at the space?
 
* Is there anything new happening at the space?
 
* Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
 
* Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
* If this is the first meeting of the month, review all the [[Category:Events | events at the space]] and try to weed out stale events.
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* If this is the first meeting of the month, review all the [[:Category:Events | events at the space]] and try to weed out stale events.
 
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* Eric started a [[Linux101|linux 101]] class, tuesdays 6:30 - 8:00 - It's good if you don't know shit about the tux. Debian centric It'll reboot every two weeks, like a computer. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/101_Introduction_to_Linux
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* Everyone plz clean up your events on the events page kthonx.
 
== [[Membership Binder]] ==
 
== [[Membership Binder]] ==
 
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe''' [[membership]], and the application process.
 
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe''' [[membership]], and the application process.
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* The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
 
* The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
 
* Remember to applaud new members when they return.
 
* Remember to applaud new members when they return.
 
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* Danny is talking about becoming a member, a proper member
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* Danny is reading names
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* Ryan - Oakland freeschool free energy - Rachel L is a sponsor
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* Jake - Kelly and Leif
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* Adam - Softwarey engineer
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* Nicholas (Tesla) - Likes electricty
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** Tom needs to calm the fuck down
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* Isis - It's about fucking time - Tom and Leif are sponsoring
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* Blake - Had to move, left cookies
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==Isis==
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It is consensed to bring Isis's consensus a week early because she is away next week.<br>
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Fucking lame<br>
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Doesn't hack, just looks through the bios options<br>
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She thinks the Noisebridge consensus process is communist, she'll just mostly stand aside<br>
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Most likely will never block unless it's to kill her<br>
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Miloh is talking and making mouth breathing noises<br>
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Isis is a member, yay!
 
== Financial Report ==
 
== Financial Report ==
* Funds in bank:
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* Funds in bank: $$$15,074.38 $$$ recurring.
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ducats in a bucket total like 5,800
 
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
 
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
 
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$1623 ........... 14 PLZ RT
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* Yes the US has places that supports Tor, so you can live here.
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Please retweet here
 
== Consensus items ==
 
== Consensus items ==
You may wish to '''invite a knowledgeable volunteer to repeat '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on the consensus process]].
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* Consensus on Isis' sooner than later
 
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It is the consensus of Noisebridge via Consenso that Isis is a member of Noisebridge.
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Is it the consensus of NB that we pay $1377 for teeshirts to Miloh? Yes!
 
=== Proposals from last week ===
 
=== Proposals from last week ===
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{| border="1"
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! Date First Discussed
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! Proposed By
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! Wordinghttps://pad.riseup.net/p/noisemeetingfuck+
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! Author of this Record
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2012_06_19|2012-06-19]]
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| Miloh
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| Consensus item for next week, proposed by Miloh: Noisebridge should buy 200 t-shirts for $1,377.00
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| [[User:MCT|MCT]]
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|}
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=== Proposals for next week ===
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Danny proposes signing the grant agreement as specified [[grant/tf2012]].<br>
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Danny talks about how he couldn't talk about it at the last meeting and now we can so he would like to restart the discussion item<br>
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Leif has some concerns about how we're allowed to spend this money due to the wording of the proposal contract thing?<br>
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Miloh says some of the money was to be spent about a residant hacker project<br>
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This is getting complicated, oh shit.<br>
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Danny: emphasized that he didn't propose grant, he was just the person they e-mailed<br>
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: why don't we just cut it down the middle + say half goes to operations<br>
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then we can have fun with the other half.<br>
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Tom: I think we should just put all the money in the account, then we can pay rent... We can all reach a reasonable consensus.<br>
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Danny: I know Lief + others are worried the $$ will ahve strings attached<br>
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I would be concenred abt all this money going into one project.<br>
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...If it was an *awesome* project<br>
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snail: I would ask if list all the visible strings<br>
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Miloh: Pros + cons have different weights + we can balance them out against each other<br>
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Danny: This is more me thinking in terms of what I would approve in concenseus it{s worth bearing in mind, what we would decidse to spend this moebny on through concensus.<br>
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: Reminded of cars + horses. deideing whether or not we want to take the money: I vote yes. MaYBE what we should do is put together a small committee  decide what we want to do with $$$<br>
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: I think ½ is a great idea - + then the other half should be spent on robots<br>
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Leif: No, that does not sound good to me.<br>
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We should have a vew more specific idea than robots.<br>
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[Just yell louder.]
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Danny: Actual consensus is next week so let's just talk about this  a little more, and then let the main conversation start next week.<br>
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Lief: I really hope tht before we consensed on it we have some more solid ideas of how to spend it.<br>
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Not inherently opposed to the idea.<br>
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Danny: I share Leif's concerns (if I read them right) about the effect of  a wash of money coming in. <br>
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Tom: Sounds like no ??? opposiont, folkx just need to work out oppositoin... not now.<br>
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Leif: Contract obviously very vague, that's a feature. Money not used for the purposes of the grant gets handed back, but what's the time frame?<br>
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Tom: That's pretty standard wording in the contract.<br>
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Common language in grants to do a specific thing, ie.e space rocket<br>
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This grant is sort of "you're awesome, keep doing that", so it doesn't really apply.<br>
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Danny: If it looks like there's no consensus next week, I won't be there to fix or amend stuff, but happy to postpone it another week to work on it when I come back. <br>
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I also spoke to the person that said, "we take a long time over these things", and that seemed fine.
  
''(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''
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=== Proposals for next week ===
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Wants to sort hacker alley, jake + miloh helped, might take a lot of space.
  
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''
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Miloh: Wraps up with weather report.
 
== Discussion Items ==
 
== Discussion Items ==
 
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If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be postponed until after the meeting ends.<br>
If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be postponed until after the meeting ends.
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During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exact what each person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on the discuss page for this meeting.
 
During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exact what each person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on the discuss page for this meeting.
 
 
== End of Meeting ==
 
== End of Meeting ==
 
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
 
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now, check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.
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* Enjoy the company of your fellow hacker or robot.
 
* Enjoy the company of your fellow hacker or robot.
 
* Discuss any items for which there was not time during the meeting.
 
* Discuss any items for which there was not time during the meeting.
 
 
[[Category:Meeting Notes]]
 
[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Latest revision as of 23:09, 23 September 2012

Contents

[edit] Instructions

Moderator: [User:Miloh] Notes: Anonymoose I"M HELPING (We collectively took these notes at [1])

[edit] Agenda

The 222 1/2nd Meeting of Noisebridge

[edit] Introduction and Names

what Noisebridge is about

  • Noisebridge is about sharing
  • Noisebridge is a space, in San Francisco, that's an infrastructure for technically technical of technology about topics of tech
  • Welcome to Noisebridge, a hacker space, part of the recent hacker space movement wave. We're a 501 I see you pee non profit, we have a consensus process
"Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
  • Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
  • Consensus is this process is this robot that lives that's named consenso, that makes decions, that makes shit up.
  • The robot is controlling us all
  • We agree with nudity
  • Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
  • Miloh
  • Hao is making an opensource robotic assistant (DORAbot) that can load dishwasher in NB.
  • Danny - Making a little robot in his pants
  • Isis -- is hacking on EVERYTHING
  • Tom --
  • Eric is beat boxing and writing a long email and learning about SQL
  • Leif, founder of BEERCOIN
  • Carlos, writing a paper of the influence of Wu-Tang Clan in Latino culture
  • Snail, and that is about it _@_y
  • SuperQ
  • Ruben sammich
  • Nick hacks
  • Some guy
  • Wane works with pics
  • Jessy Masturbating the fine art
  • Corey
  • Brian yeah
  • Eric
  • Dillion workiing on the video projects
  • Reuben
  • Daina
  • Chris -- it's his first day here. Malaclyps whoops.
  • Monad, he made the awesome mobiles above your head
  • Mattek Some guys from Warsaw, can't spell their names
  • JOHN IS SPEAKING ALL IN CAPS
  • Micahel Sociologist
  • Mike tech

nowander

  • Stew
  • miloh says there are a lot of people, running it like a podcast

[edit] Short Announcements

  • Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
  • Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
  • Miloh is talking about stickers, do we want to send stickers to Jigsaw Renaissance for archival? Yes we do, Liz is volunteered.
  • Tom wants to buy a bunch of random number generators, talk to him if you want to buy them. You can buy them in Bitcoin.
  • Miloh wants to hack them
  • Tom says they're great stocking stuffers
  • They're 35 USD Pounds
  • Look at tea leaves with Miloh

Hao is making PCB with MAXNC CNC machine, to help the DORA opensource robot project http://dorabot.com Contact Hao if interested, he's in NB almost everyday, start from afternoon. This Thursday June 28th, 19:00-22:00 @ Noisebridge: ZiP is hosting a testplay of a new, in-development satirical board game in the NB cafe or hackitorium, space permitting. At this point we only need 1 or 2 more players to make 2 games of 4 players each. Message fristoe-at-gmail.com for more info.

[edit] For June 26th, 2012:

Noisebridge send up some stickers to Robin and Willow yo!
Hacker/Maker Space Sticker Swap v 1.1

WHO: Members of Hacker and Maker Spaces
WHAT: Sticker Swap 1.1
WHERE: via mail... you remember... the thing that uses stamps
WHEN: Due into Robin's hot little hands by July 30, 2012, you should receive your sticker collection mid-August
WHY: To amass a collection of stickers from hacker and maker spaces all over the world and redistribute them to people who send in stickers
HOW: Grab 100+ stickers from your space, toss in an envelope to Jigsaw Renaissance; Attn Sticker Swap 1.1; PO Box 14113; Seattle, WA 98114 with $4USD for US addresses, $8USD for non-US addresses. You can also send money to treasurer@jigsawrenaissance.org via Amazon Payments or Paypal.
Add yourself (especially your address) to this. Apparently some never got there last time - I think it might have been due to miss-transfered addresses.
QUESTIONS: robin at jigsawrenaissance dotorg
Got cool swag besides stickers that you want to swap? Shoot her an email and she'll keep track of everyone's swag to see if we have enough to swap.
Open source robotic dish loader for the dish washer, by How. He's using the CNC mill to do this, if you're interested in making a robot arm, talk to him. http://dorabot.com

  • Toorcamp is happening

[edit] New or Stale Events

  • Is there anything new happening at the space?
  • Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
  • If this is the first meeting of the month, review all the events at the space and try to weed out stale events.
  • Eric started a linux 101 class, tuesdays 6:30 - 8:00 - It's good if you don't know shit about the tux. Debian centric It'll reboot every two weeks, like a computer. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/101_Introduction_to_Linux
  • Everyone plz clean up your events on the events page kthonx.

[edit] Membership Binder

  • Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe membership, and the application process.
Being a member of Noisebridge is not like being a member of a gym or your local chess club. Anyone can come to Noisebridge to hack and learn: you don't need to be a member for that. At Noisebridge, membership is something different: it means taking responsibility and committing to help to maintain, improve, and govern Noisebridge. As a member of Noisebridge, you don't just come here to hack and learn, you actively work to improve what you see around you, help to deal with problems, and make this community better than it is today.
  • Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.
  • Anyone eligible to join this week should
    • introduce themselves,
    • answer any questions members may have for them, then
    • leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime, or cookies) for the rest of the group.
  • The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
  • Remember to applaud new members when they return.
  • Danny is talking about becoming a member, a proper member
  • Danny is reading names
  • Ryan - Oakland freeschool free energy - Rachel L is a sponsor
  • Jake - Kelly and Leif
  • Adam - Softwarey engineer
  • Nicholas (Tesla) - Likes electricty
    • Tom needs to calm the fuck down
  • Isis - It's about fucking time - Tom and Leif are sponsoring
  • Blake - Had to move, left cookies

[edit] Isis

It is consensed to bring Isis's consensus a week early because she is away next week.
Fucking lame
Doesn't hack, just looks through the bios options
She thinks the Noisebridge consensus process is communist, she'll just mostly stand aside
Most likely will never block unless it's to kill her
Miloh is talking and making mouth breathing noises
Isis is a member, yay!

[edit] Financial Report

  • Funds in bank: $$$15,074.38 $$$ recurring.

ducats in a bucket total like 5,800

$1623 ........... 14 PLZ RT

  • Yes the US has places that supports Tor, so you can live here.

Please retweet here

[edit] Consensus items

  • Consensus on Isis' sooner than later

It is the consensus of Noisebridge via Consenso that Isis is a member of Noisebridge. Is it the consensus of NB that we pay $1377 for teeshirts to Miloh? Yes!

[edit] Proposals from last week

Date First Discussed Proposed By Wordinghttps://pad.riseup.net/p/noisemeetingfuck+ Author of this Record
2012-06-19 Miloh Consensus item for next week, proposed by Miloh: Noisebridge should buy 200 t-shirts for $1,377.00 MCT

[edit] Proposals for next week

Danny proposes signing the grant agreement as specified grant/tf2012.
Danny talks about how he couldn't talk about it at the last meeting and now we can so he would like to restart the discussion item
Leif has some concerns about how we're allowed to spend this money due to the wording of the proposal contract thing?
Miloh says some of the money was to be spent about a residant hacker project
This is getting complicated, oh shit.
Danny: emphasized that he didn't propose grant, he was just the person they e-mailed

why don't we just cut it down the middle + say half goes to operations

then we can have fun with the other half.
Tom: I think we should just put all the money in the account, then we can pay rent... We can all reach a reasonable consensus.
Danny: I know Lief + others are worried the $$ will ahve strings attached
I would be concenred abt all this money going into one project.
...If it was an *awesome* project
snail: I would ask if list all the visible strings
Miloh: Pros + cons have different weights + we can balance them out against each other
Danny: This is more me thinking in terms of what I would approve in concenseus it{s worth bearing in mind, what we would decidse to spend this moebny on through concensus.

Reminded of cars + horses. deideing whether or not we want to take the money: I vote yes. MaYBE what we should do is put together a small committee decide what we want to do with $$$
I think ½ is a great idea - + then the other half should be spent on robots

Leif: No, that does not sound good to me.
We should have a vew more specific idea than robots.
[Just yell louder.] Danny: Actual consensus is next week so let's just talk about this a little more, and then let the main conversation start next week.
Lief: I really hope tht before we consensed on it we have some more solid ideas of how to spend it.
Not inherently opposed to the idea.
Danny: I share Leif's concerns (if I read them right) about the effect of a wash of money coming in.
Tom: Sounds like no ??? opposiont, folkx just need to work out oppositoin... not now.
Leif: Contract obviously very vague, that's a feature. Money not used for the purposes of the grant gets handed back, but what's the time frame?
Tom: That's pretty standard wording in the contract.
Common language in grants to do a specific thing, ie.e space rocket
This grant is sort of "you're awesome, keep doing that", so it doesn't really apply.
Danny: If it looks like there's no consensus next week, I won't be there to fix or amend stuff, but happy to postpone it another week to work on it when I come back.
I also spoke to the person that said, "we take a long time over these things", and that seemed fine.

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Wants to sort hacker alley, jake + miloh helped, might take a lot of space.

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Miloh: Wraps up with weather report.

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