Meeting Notes 2012 07 17

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= Instructions =
 
* '''Delete these instructions section before posting completed minutes.'''
 
* Pick a moderator and a note-taker.
 
* Optionally: pick a membership-binder-wrangler; otherwise the moderator can take care of it.
 
 
== Note-taker ==
 
* Open a text editor to take notes on the major points of the meeting, using this page at the template.
 
* Project the draft meeting notes and agenda in real time throughout the meeting.
 
* Edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
 
* Edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.
 
* Post the meeting notes to this page, and email out a summary with a link.
 
* Tell treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members.
 
 
== Moderator==
 
* Understand the structure of Noisebridge [[consensus|decision-making]]
 
* Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak.
 
* Speak only minimally yourself.
 
* Keep the meeting moving, and avoid getting bogged down.
 
* Identify discussion items, arrange times limits for talking about each item.
 
* Identify and summarize consensus, suggest things that need to be done.
 
* '''Get the [[membership binder]] and ensure that it is returned safely.'''
 
 
== Participants ==
 
* Say your name before you talk.
 
* Remain on-topic, and speak as concisely as possible.
 
* Assist the note-taker with any links or corrections that are needed.
 
* Remain respectful of other participants, their time, and the consensus and moderation process.
 
 
 
= Agenda =
 
= Agenda =
  
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 225th Meeting of Noisebridge]
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[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 225th Meeting of Nosebridge]
  
Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE
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Note-taker: [[User:Malaclyps|danny]]
 
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Moderator: [[User:leif|Leif]]
Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE
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== Introduction and Names ==
 
== Introduction and Names ==
  
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to explain''' [[Noisebridge_Vision|what Noisebridge is about]]:
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*   Snail!
<blockquote>Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."</blockquote>
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*    Leif!
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.
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*    Zephyr -- he is harsh
* Introduce any new or unusual moderation techniques that you may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
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*    Tom -- bearer of chaos
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
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*   Sean -- new!
** What's your name,
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*    Isis -- nothing to say!
** are you a member,
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*   Andy -- reading about the EFF defending a National Security Letter case
** what do you do, and
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*   Casey -- People's Republic of Nosebridge
** if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?
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*   Ursula -- she's not actually German
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*   Nick -- tonight we will be printing Nosebridge shirts
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*   John -- just loitering
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*    Mike -- is a technowanderer, not a quartermaster
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*   Josh -- jobhunting
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*   Nick -- use Plan 9
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*   Claudia -- working with Carlos
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*   Renee -- with Carlos
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*    Carlos -- with Software
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*    Eric -- working with Claudia for a guy in Africa who makes solar lamps
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*    Carl -- slayer of chaos
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*    Max -- is new!!!
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*    Jesse -- as always, spreading embedded linux, to serve and to learn
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*    Daniella -- french teacher do all kinds of things, and a real sweetheart
  
 
== Short Announcements ==
 
== Short Announcements ==
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short!
 
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
 
  
== New or Stale Events ==
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Tom has received the order of entropy keys, if you have not got one, track him down.
* Is there anything new happening at the space?
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* Is there anything that has stopped happening at the space?
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French class has changed from Sat. afternoon to Friday evening, 6-8PM
* If this is the first meeting of the month, review all the [[Category:Events | events at the space]] and try to weed out stale events.
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Linux 101 will be going three classes. Third class will be in two weeks. Check the [[Category:Events | wiki!]]
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Daniella was thinking of a French connection meeting, where people talk French
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and drink wine. Looking for a suggestions for times for it.
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Nosebridge t-shirt printing is taking place, in preperation for Toorcamp! Read about Toorcamp and consider going!
  
 
== [[Membership Binder]] ==
 
== [[Membership Binder]] ==
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe''' [[membership]], and the application process.
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<blockquote>Being a member of Noisebridge is not like being a member of a gym or your local chess club. Anyone can come to Noisebridge to hack and learn: you don't need to be a member for that. At Noisebridge, membership is something different: it means taking responsibility and committing to help to maintain, improve, and govern Noisebridge. As a member of Noisebridge, you don't just come here to hack and learn, you actively work to improve what you see around you, help to deal with problems, and make this community better than it is today.</blockquote>
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Tom lays down the news wrt membership.
<blockquote>If you want to show your commitment to Noisebridge and the community here without becoming a capital-M-Member, consider being a Noisebridge associate. Associates pay their dues to the treasurer just like members, use the space just like members, and are valued participants in the community just like members. The difference is that associate membership doesn't involve consensus: there's no need to go through consensus to become an associate, but associates don't get to block consensus either.</blockquote>
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* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Write a check on every open application.
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We read what's in the binder. It is full of jewels and gold and silver and people's names.
* Anyone eligible to join this week should
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** introduce themselves,
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Nick is cross-examined at length by the very serious membership.
** answer any questions members may have for them, then
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** leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime, or cookies) for the rest of the group.
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* The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
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* Remember to applaud new members when they return.
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== Financial Report ==
 
== Financial Report ==
* Funds in bank:
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* Funds in bank: $16721.66
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
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* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary): $1883.55 , paid through July 7, two months.
  
 
== Consensus items ==
 
== Consensus items ==
 
You may wish to '''invite a knowledgeable volunteer to repeat '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on the consensus process]].
 
You may wish to '''invite a knowledgeable volunteer to repeat '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on the consensus process]].
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We discuss the Thiel Foundation donation. Danny explains how the contract is pretty minimal.
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Leif says a couple of reasons why he objects:
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    1) We've done pretty well without having a big reserve, and fund-raising
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externally. Not looking forward to the next few months discussing how to spend
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this money.
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    2) Thiel isn't a good person, with Facebook, Paypal, and Palantir, and we
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shouldn't take his money. This facet of his philanthropic efforts is to improve
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his reputation -- he's buying whuffie from us, and we're selling it to him, and
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decreasing of our own reputation. I think it's great that we're not funded by
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billionaire philanthropists, and I think it would be less great if we do, and
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that people would be less interested in giving the money. If he just mailed him
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a check, I wouldn't object.
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Z says we should say no to the money, and then use that to boost our reputation.
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Jake says we want to do stuff, not troll people.
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Jesse says if we had more than $10K, we could rent the downstairs. We selling ourselves short.
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John says that three months is a very low prudent reserve.
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Danny says there's some deliberation behind that.
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Carl says we should take the money, and then ask the community to put proposals.
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Jesse says that if DARPA gave us money on the same terms, he wouldn't object.
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Tom says if the Lord of the Flies gave us money, would we object.
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Z says we don't have any control over association after they give us money.
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Tom says that we have this problem with every donation we have.
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Carl says the good outweighs the hypothetical bad.
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Josh says that if he gives money to something cool, he should get a benefit.
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Eric says there's an argument that says "don't take the tobacco money", and there's also an argument that says "don't question the motives, question actions"
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"Is it tobacco money or Carnegie libraries'", summarises Andy.
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Four people who are standing aside.
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Danny and Andy and Miloh agree to continue discussion until next week.
  
 
=== Proposals from last week ===
 
=== Proposals from last week ===

Revision as of 22:01, 17 July 2012

Contents

Agenda

The 225th Meeting of Nosebridge

Note-taker: danny Moderator: Leif

Introduction and Names

  • Snail!
  • Leif!
  • Zephyr -- he is harsh
  • Tom -- bearer of chaos
  • Sean -- new!
  • Isis -- nothing to say!
  • Andy -- reading about the EFF defending a National Security Letter case
  • Casey -- People's Republic of Nosebridge
  • Ursula -- she's not actually German
  • Nick -- tonight we will be printing Nosebridge shirts
  • John -- just loitering
  • Mike -- is a technowanderer, not a quartermaster
  • Josh -- jobhunting
  • Nick -- use Plan 9
  • Claudia -- working with Carlos
  • Renee -- with Carlos
  • Carlos -- with Software
  • Eric -- working with Claudia for a guy in Africa who makes solar lamps
  • Carl -- slayer of chaos
  • Max -- is new!!!
  • Jesse -- as always, spreading embedded linux, to serve and to learn
  • Daniella -- french teacher do all kinds of things, and a real sweetheart

Short Announcements

Tom has received the order of entropy keys, if you have not got one, track him down.

French class has changed from Sat. afternoon to Friday evening, 6-8PM

Linux 101 will be going three classes. Third class will be in two weeks. Check the

Daniella was thinking of a French connection meeting, where people talk French and drink wine. Looking for a suggestions for times for it.

Nosebridge t-shirt printing is taking place, in preperation for Toorcamp! Read about Toorcamp and consider going!

Membership Binder

Tom lays down the news wrt membership.

We read what's in the binder. It is full of jewels and gold and silver and people's names.

Nick is cross-examined at length by the very serious membership.

Financial Report

Consensus items

You may wish to invite a knowledgeable volunteer to repeat a brief primer on the consensus process.

We discuss the Thiel Foundation donation. Danny explains how the contract is pretty minimal.

Leif says a couple of reasons why he objects:

   1) We've done pretty well without having a big reserve, and fund-raising

externally. Not looking forward to the next few months discussing how to spend this money.

   2) Thiel isn't a good person, with Facebook, Paypal, and Palantir, and we

shouldn't take his money. This facet of his philanthropic efforts is to improve his reputation -- he's buying whuffie from us, and we're selling it to him, and decreasing of our own reputation. I think it's great that we're not funded by billionaire philanthropists, and I think it would be less great if we do, and that people would be less interested in giving the money. If he just mailed him a check, I wouldn't object.

Z says we should say no to the money, and then use that to boost our reputation.

Jake says we want to do stuff, not troll people.

Jesse says if we had more than $10K, we could rent the downstairs. We selling ourselves short.

John says that three months is a very low prudent reserve.

Danny says there's some deliberation behind that.

Carl says we should take the money, and then ask the community to put proposals.

Jesse says that if DARPA gave us money on the same terms, he wouldn't object.

Tom says if the Lord of the Flies gave us money, would we object.

Z says we don't have any control over association after they give us money.

Tom says that we have this problem with every donation we have.

Carl says the good outweighs the hypothetical bad.

Josh says that if he gives money to something cool, he should get a benefit.

Eric says there's an argument that says "don't take the tobacco money", and there's also an argument that says "don't question the motives, question actions"

"Is it tobacco money or Carnegie libraries'", summarises Andy.

Four people who are standing aside.

Danny and Andy and Miloh agree to continue discussion until next week.

Proposals from last week

(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the Consensus Items History page.)

Proposals for next week

(Add any new items for consensus to the Current Consensus Items page.)

Discussion Items

If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be postponed until after the meeting ends.

During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exact what each person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on the discuss page for this meeting.

End of Meeting

  • PGP Key Signing could happen now, check the list to see who wants in on the action.
  • Return the membership binder to it's rightful location.
  • Clean and tidy the meeting notes, then save them to the wiki.
  • Send a summary of the meeting notes to the discussion list.
  • Enjoy the company of your fellow hacker or robot.
  • Discuss any items for which there was not time during the meeting.
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