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* Let's seriously reconsider the role of membership in the space. What it means to the members but also the space.
 
* Let's seriously reconsider the role of membership in the space. What it means to the members but also the space.
* Noisebridge needs a new "Great Pyramids" project such that the space and community come together again.
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* Noisebridge needs a new "Great Pyramid" project such that the space and community come together again.
  
 
= Attendance =
 
= Attendance =
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* Steve - Machine learning, science, nutrition
 
* Steve - Machine learning, science, nutrition
 
* Rayc - Raycor. Hacks on layer 1 and layer 2 of the 5 layer OSI model
 
* Rayc - Raycor. Hacks on layer 1 and layer 2 of the 5 layer OSI model
* Monad - I tinker.
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* Monad - I tinker
 
* Daniella - Coming here over 2 years.
 
* Daniella - Coming here over 2 years.
 
* John - Works w/ Book scanning group & Five Minutes of Fame! Optimize your dog!
 
* John - Works w/ Book scanning group & Five Minutes of Fame! Optimize your dog!
* Naomi - Member since 2009. Interested in striking all members from the rolls.
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* Naomi - Member since 2009. Interested in striking all members from the roles
* Signal - I found a reference to an alternative energy company in the meeting notes of long ago.
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* Signal - I found a reference to an alternative energy company in the meeting notes of ago.
* Daravinne - Participates in all the conspiracies.
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* Daravinne - Participates in conspiracy.
* Mischief - I like plan9.
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* Mischief - I like plan9
  
 
= Announcements =
 
= Announcements =
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= Membership Binder =
 
= Membership Binder =
  
Daravinne - There's 3 member sheets. Daniel Lewis, Tristan Mosley, and Torrie Fischer
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Daravinne - There's 3 member sheets. Daniel Lewis, Tristan Mosbey, and Torrie Fischer
  
 
Torrie - Can I block?
 
Torrie - Can I block?
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There's approximately $52k in the bank.
 
There's approximately $52k in the bank.
  
Matt: We got $10k for Noisetor before the reboot.
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Matt: We got $10k for noisetor before the reboot.
  
 
= Consensus Proposals =
 
= Consensus Proposals =
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== Proposals for next week ==
 
== Proposals for next week ==
  
=== Striking all members from the rolls ===
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=== Striking all members from the role ===
  
Naomi - That we strike all members from the rolls.
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Naomi - That we strike all members from the roles.
  
Naomi - We have 40-50 members on the books. Not sure how many are paying. It's arduous to look. It doesn't really matter to me. We have 40 or so people who essentially have, "stock options in a job they never show up to work for". The only power w/ membership is consensus-blocking ability. The observed behavior is people sending in "proxy blocks" without having been present for discussion. Some are great, some are bullshit. We have this list of people in whom we're supposed to have some trust. We've revised our definition of "Trust" in the community in recent times, especially with regards to new people. We've taken the idea of it should take up to 6 months to get to know the NB community as well as having the community knowing you. Seeing if there's some mutual benefit to you being a member. The question is : what does it mean to have 50ish members that never show up or who pop in every now and again?
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Naomi - We have 40-50 members on the books. Not sure how many are paying. It's arduous to look. It doesn't really matter to me. We have 40 or so people who essentially have, "stock options in a job they never show up to work for". The only power w/ membership is blocking ability. The observed behavior is people sending in "proxy blocks" without having been present for discussion. Some are great, some are bullshit. We have this list of people in whom we're supposed to have some trust. We've revised our definition of "Trust" in the community in recent times, especially with regards to new people. We've taken the idea of it should take up to 6 months to get to know the NB community as well as having the community knowing you. Seeing if there's some mutual benefit to you being a member. The question is : what does it mean to have 50ish members that never show up and who pop in every now and again?
  
 
=== Funding Rubin's priced list of AV equipment ===
 
=== Funding Rubin's priced list of AV equipment ===
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= Discussion Items =
 
= Discussion Items =
  
== Striking all members from the rolls ==
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== Striking all members from the role ==
  
Steve - You don't want to do away with Membership but rather wipe the list? Do you recognize value in blocking?
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Steve - You don't want to do away with membership but rather wipe the list? Do you recognize value in blocking?
  
Naomi - Redefining Membership itself would be a separate discussion.
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Naomi - That's a separate discussion
  
Daniella - If you remove them they can become members again?
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Daniella - If you remove them they can become members again.
  
Naomi - Yes. It's not to ban anyone, it's just a clean slate.
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Monad - Wouldn't that require consensus ?
  
Monad - Wouldn't [this proposal] require consensus ?
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Kevin - What's the kernel to repopulate the member roles w/o members to consensus on new ones
 
 
Kevin - What's the kernel to repopulate the member roles w/o members to consensus on new ones?
 
 
 
Naomi - Good question. I don't know. Let's talk about that.
 
  
 
Signal - In the reboot phase we wanted to see how long it'd take for us to "require" to become members. It didn't become necessary. It became a question of keys and whom we trust to open the space etc. It has nothing
 
Signal - In the reboot phase we wanted to see how long it'd take for us to "require" to become members. It didn't become necessary. It became a question of keys and whom we trust to open the space etc. It has nothing
to do w/ the list of members. Matt, Torrie, and I have been having the discussion of "would we ever need to become members ever?" Torrie's application is a beta test of the meaning of member application.
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to do w/ the list of members. Matt Torrie and I have been having the discussion of "would we ever need to become members ever?" Her application is a beta test of the member application
  
 
Daravinne - I think it's a good idea to reboot the concept of members itself. I say this without a clear idea of membership. The previous meaning needs to be reexamined. Striking the list in some way seems like a good idea. As a community we have to rethink the idea of what community means, how we're creating and bettering community through the schema.
 
Daravinne - I think it's a good idea to reboot the concept of members itself. I say this without a clear idea of membership. The previous meaning needs to be reexamined. Striking the list in some way seems like a good idea. As a community we have to rethink the idea of what community means, how we're creating and bettering community through the schema.
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Naomi - In a proper model there's no need to coerce membership involvement. If it's a value from the start we get to a much better space than forcing people into it.
 
Naomi - In a proper model there's no need to coerce membership involvement. If it's a value from the start we get to a much better space than forcing people into it.
  
Signal - I'm more used to the membership model, that labour model. I'm just looking for someone to make an argument of what good membership does.
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Signal - I'm more used to the membership model, that labour model. I'm just looking for someone to make an argument of what good membership does
  
 
Monad - What is a member? We haven't defined what that means. Responsibilities, benefits?
 
Monad - What is a member? We haven't defined what that means. Responsibilities, benefits?
  
Kevin - I believe strongly in consensus and I'd like to speak to benefits. I think it's critical to making decisions. There's other more less tangible good w/ institutional knowledge & dues.
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Kevin - I believe strongly in consensus and I'd like to speak to benefits. I think it's critical to making decision. There's other more less tangible good w/ institutional knowledge & dues.
  
Signal - How does Membership help w/ institutional knowledge
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Signal - How does it help w/ institutional knowledge
  
 
Kevin - It's associated with being around the space a while. Getting to know it
 
Kevin - It's associated with being around the space a while. Getting to know it
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Daniel - It's something to take when people are messing with things.
 
Daniel - It's something to take when people are messing with things.
  
NoHat - If you take someone like Napoleon and why it came to power it's about his fluidity in wielding his power as compared to traditional structure. The chain of command within the army was great w/ smaller autonomous cores. Rules create bottlenecks. What is a more fluid model that allows more mobility.
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NoHat - If you take someone like Napolean and why it came to power it's about his fluidity in wielding his power as compared to traditional structure. The chain of command within the army was great w/ smaller autonomous cores. Rules create bottlenecks. What is a more fluid model that allows more mobility.
  
 
John - For a long time I've been thinking it'd be great to have more members in here working on things, interesting projects and having ownership of the space. All they have to do is work on a cool thing. I like the idea of scrapping membership and working from there.
 
John - For a long time I've been thinking it'd be great to have more members in here working on things, interesting projects and having ownership of the space. All they have to do is work on a cool thing. I like the idea of scrapping membership and working from there.
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Naomi - Not sure yet.
 
Naomi - Not sure yet.
  
NoHat - I agree with a lot of what I'm hearing. There's one thing I don't like though. In the community things are polarized due to consensus. A reoccurring theme that I see is "I spend more (time, energy) here than you". If you want to do something new you have to respect the history, the lessons etc.. If you do come up with a new approach use the past, use science. I've been pondering a science based approach to it. It's almost there and I'd like some help with it. I think not going greenfield would be bad.
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NoHat - I agree with a lot of what I'm hearing. There's one thing I don't like though. In the community things are polarised due to consensus. A reoccurring theme that I see is "I spend more (time, energy) here than you". If you want to do something new you have to respect the history, the lessons etc.. If you do come up with a new approach use the past, use science. I've been pondering a science based approach to it. It's almost there and I'd like some help with it. I think not going greenfield would be bad.
  
Naomi - You weren't here and don't know the effects. I've seen cycles of NB, many of them. NB wasn't polarized in the beginning. Occupy came in and squatted the *FUCK* out of NB. Like really. You can analogize organizational relationships to interpersonal relationships. You don't immediately move in with someone you just met. Occupy came and moved in immediately with NB. People left. We lost people. People came and overnight turned the space into somewhere where Members didn't want to be. The ongoing PR effect of people not coming to NB is still present.
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Naomi - You weren't here and don't know the effects. I've seen cycles of NB, many of them. NB wasn't polarized in the beginning. Occupy came in and squatted the *FUCK* out of NB. Like really. Organizations with analogies to interpersonal relationships. You don't immediately move in with someone you just met. Occupy came and moved in immediately with NB. People left. We lost people. People came and overnight turned the space into somewhere where Members didn't want to be. The ongoing PR effect of people not coming to NB is still present.
  
 
Daniella - I did occupy for the record without shitting on NB
 
Daniella - I did occupy for the record without shitting on NB
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Daravinne - Let's close this.
 
Daravinne - Let's close this.
  
Matt - One quick comment. All it is so that we can put keys back in the hands of those who will do well.
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Matt - One quick comment.
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Naomi - You weren't here and don't know the effects. I've seen cycles of NB, many of them. NB wasn't polarized in the beginning. Occupy came in and squatted the *FUCK* out of NB. Like really. Organizations with analogies to interpersonal relationships. You don't immediately move in with someone you just met. Occupy came and moved in immediately with NB. People left. We lost people. People came and overnight turned the space into somewhere where Members didn't want to be. The ongoing PR effect of people not coming to NB is still present.
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Matt - All it is so that we can put keys back in the hands of those who will do well.
  
 
==  Upgrades! ==
 
==  Upgrades! ==
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Rayc - Historically NB has not used other funds for specific things. Historically if you wanted something funded at noisebridge, i.e. a lasercutter, get a bunch of people together to donate and make it a side project.
 
Rayc - Historically NB has not used other funds for specific things. Historically if you wanted something funded at noisebridge, i.e. a lasercutter, get a bunch of people together to donate and make it a side project.
  
Signal - You're wearing my sweatshirt! Secondly we also didn't have 30K given to us specifically to make the space better. We have a responsibility to spend some of that in a timely fashion to show results.
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Signal - You're wearing my sweatshirt! Secondly we also didn't have 30K given to us specifically to make the space better. We have a responsibility to spend some of that in a timely fashion to show results
  
 
Kevin - Why not allocate funds to all of rubin's sheet? *hand waving*
 
Kevin - Why not allocate funds to all of rubin's sheet? *hand waving*
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Torrie - Another project that people want to get done here is a good set of bookcases in the library. Wood isn't cheap
 
Torrie - Another project that people want to get done here is a good set of bookcases in the library. Wood isn't cheap
  
Signal - It's in the category of infrastructure.
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Signal - It's in the category of infrastructure
  
 
Daravinne - Wood can be had fairly cheap from OAK scrapyards. If people have vehicles and time let's collaborate
 
Daravinne - Wood can be had fairly cheap from OAK scrapyards. If people have vehicles and time let's collaborate
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Adrian - We had a storage space which sucked.
 
Adrian - We had a storage space which sucked.
  
Matt - That's what'll happen in front of Tesla.
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Matt - That's what'll happen in front of Telsa.
  
 
Signal - Parking tickets and parking permits which'll solve the issues.
 
Signal - Parking tickets and parking permits which'll solve the issues.
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Naomi - A wonder of the hackerspace world that we build! Like hanging gardens, a great pyramid. Our own satellite space station. Something big and audacious that we all have to work on.
 
Naomi - A wonder of the hackerspace world that we build! Like hanging gardens, a great pyramid. Our own satellite space station. Something big and audacious that we all have to work on.
  
Daravinne - People in other hackerspaces know who we are, that's a wonder of the world.
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Daravinne - People in other hackerspaces know who we are
  
Signal - ScissorGrid [sic] was a great hackerspace project with 60 people that took months and months on end.
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Signal - Sicsy Grid was a great project with 60 people that took months and months on end.
  
 
Daravinne - That was a BM project. Had no idea that it was a hackerspace project.
 
Daravinne - That was a BM project. Had no idea that it was a hackerspace project.
  
Naomi - It wasn't a hackerspace project, it was Ardent. I was there when they were planning it. Ian dreamed it up, brought it in front of a large group, and laid it out as the project for the year.
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Naomi - I was there when they were planning it. When it was dreamed up and it was to be the project for the year.
  
Daravinne - He [Ian] should come here to help with our stuff.
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Daravinne - He should come here to help with our stuff.
  
Naomi - I'm trying. The fact that folks came from Ardent and had a good time at the Remix party was a great success! The point of the "Great Pyramids" is doing something like Syzygryd with everything like electronics, art, software, and other disciplines working together. We have a lot of distributed disciplines around the place. The things that have multiple disciplines -- collaborations between more than 2 people -- that we did are still the headlines of NB. Spacebridge and 5MoF
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Naomi - I'm trying. The fact that folks came from Ardent and had a good time at the party was a great success! The point of doing something like scissorgrid with everything like electronics, and other disciplines working together. We have a lot of distributed disciplines around the place. The things that have multiple disciplines that we did are still the headlines of NB. Spacebridge and 5MoF
  
Rayc - On the order of these things. We thought about things like cool OS thing for all hackerspaces to learn from. Help hackerspaces w/ stuff. We're in a hackerspace mesh. We need to navigate it better. The Aaron Schwartz hackathon is coming up. It'd be great if people could collaborate alongside each other.
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Rayc - On the order of these things. We thought about things like cool OS thing for all hackerspaces to learn from. Help hackerspaces w/ stuff. We're in a hackerspace mesh. we need to navigate it better. The Aaron Schwartz hackathon is coming up. It'd be great if people could collaborate alongside each other.
  
 
Signal - We're looking to the EFF to name a date for the hackathon.
 
Signal - We're looking to the EFF to name a date for the hackathon.

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