Editing Meeting Notes 2015 07 28 (section)

== Discussion Items ==

If any important discussion happens, it should be happening after forward progress is made during consensus.

=== Mongo DB ===

Praveen: Apologize for list drama. Since we're short on funds, we should not let corporations set up shop without donating. I like Mongo, they're AGPL, but they did just raise $80 million.

Louis: I agree. They should have office hours, but it has to be fair to everyone.

Steve: Bryan seemed to be acting in good faith. If someone wants to come in and teach opensource stuff, that's great. If someone wants to come to Noisebridge and recruit, that's great. Coming to use Noisebridge social capital to recruit under banner of opensource is not cool.

Ozzy: Mongo not too awesome, go SQL. Pretty obvious, if they're here it should be for a fee. What's fee going to be? Many orgs have a reasonable corporate rate. Should be open for discussion.

Louis: How are they going to organize the class? Test it out as an experiment.

Steve: If we formalized rates, or experimented with rates it might become attractive and co-opt the culture. 

Louis: Will have customer relationship. I don't come here to be recruited. Really tricky and all about money. Air B&B vs Couchsurfing. Paying should be semi-official.

Ozzy: Is the question official vs unofficial? See how it goes as an experiment? It is up to us to pose.

Louis: Official structure will be complicated.

Frank: Assuming on a similar grounds to commercial groups. Ask of them a perk for the community here.

J: What I'm hearing is that people want to have a meeting, see how it goes, then make something official. Ground rules for using the space.

Louis: Have them run an event like everyone else. Put it on the calendar. Etc.. See how the class goes, no advertising. It would be excellent if you were giving a donation.

Praveen: Mitch will bring his company's stuff, and other start-up people here. I would like to see Noisebridge continue to be used for commercial home-brewed startups. 

Trent: Formalizing things provides rights/privileges to the people we formalize with.

Ozzy: Different levels for formalization. A web page to sign up vs a suggested donation. I suggest the latter.

Louis: Simple communication. If you're paid by MongoDB working at Noisebridge then we have suggested donation. If not paid, that's okay.

Frank: Some orgs will want something official and written. I support providing this one-off as an experiment.

Dan: What we get vs. what we risk - Groups teaching classes introduces new people who will donate.
the cost: what happens to our culture. the devil uses our space. risk2 overly formal mode is not our culture to begin with.
Google.org what's to have a hackathon for ppl with disabilities here, but if they're buying PR and hacker cred. we'll burn that bridge when we get there.

Louis: fineline to draw btw
J: We're setting a president, we're making this place more appealing the public, these are things that are going to keep coming up and should be incorporated into our culture

Kevin: We already have normal pipes and criteria events and classes happen here, but now we're considering big corporations that should have different soft criteria to use this space

Ozzy: another criteria, what are things ppl use. Fee for the coperation, not the ppl participating in the events - from there own pockets

Louis: So many things are closed-source. We shouldn't charge per person

Ozzy: If I had a blog, with my message, I won't put recommendations that are against my culture

Kevin: We have an aesthetic preference, MongoDB. Mitch's design is open, it's cool that he comes in and shows us how to use it. It's not cool if apple were to come in to show us how to make an app.

Steve: This is going to be hard to come up with rules for corps, being we're an anarchist space - it's impossible. MongoDB is open-source, but they also  
have open source software - so they're cool, but they make money, so they should donate money.

Ozzy: How many of us wouldn't ask for a donation. 

Dan: In support of a soft donation

Louis: If he isn't paid to host the meetup, he shouldn't be expected to donate.

Trent: Not comfortable with coupling money with classes. 

Ozzy: Reject the idea of them coming here? No. Cool.

Kevin: What exploitation are you concerned about?

Praveen:I'm not to concerned about NB culture, we're stringer than that. But I am conserned about community benefit. There needs to be community benefit from this. This could become popular.

Trent: As software ppl, we jump to categorize, we don't need to do that, we can juudge individulas on there own merits. On a case by case basis

Praveen: wants to find a loop pol for ppl like Mitch Altman

Dan: If our finances were to double, a month from now. Could have come from one big org. or from 50 ppl. Healthier if our money come from individuals.
It's a balance
As long as we've got enough money, we don't have to worry about paying rent, that's a good place.

Steve: Been to a place that was funded by a philanthropist, everything was good, comfortable, made by use. We didn't have too much money, Surplus is nice.

Dan: if a corp wants a buy-in, we're not so eager to sell it for 100 bucks

Kevin: MongoDB event adds value - it's alright to tax b/c they are a profitable company

Dan: Let's not worry about the money.

J: Recommends we don't make any decisions, let the whole community be involved in this, this is a big decision. We don't want to sell our soul or essence of this space.

Praveen: Supports playing these powers, they have the ability to give back to the community. let's be the bridge b/w these corps and the communities that need support.