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= Instructions =
= Participants =


Congratulations and/or condolences! You're reading this because you're participating in a meeting of Noisebridge!
* Darryl - Haskell, category theory, type theory, laser cutter class, etc.
* Cole - haskell, robots
* Ryan McCarthy - NonViolentCommunication, restorative justice
* Corey - techshop refugee, robots
* Dave (caligrapher, print maker, interested in stereo microscope)
* Diana Greer - does nothing!
* Ryan (pyconaut) - games, 3D/VR, and more!
* Kevin - coorganized a raspberry pi group at techshop w/ Derek
* Derek - coorganized a raspberry pi group at techshop w/ Kevin
* Nicole (gaardn) - codes and plays with the lazer
* Juan - functional engineer, software engineer, daytime hacker of sorts
* Dany (danyq) - book scanning
* Michael - software engineer by day, pointless things by night, animation
* J (J)- runs CHM, teaches kids electronics and cool stuff
* Michael (mondo) - student, here to learn, yes please! please teach me
* Ben- internet and internet accessories
* Alex (lxpk) - teaches gamedev on tuesdays, NVC stuff


Meetings should be limited to an hour when possible. Shorter is fine, but avoid rushing.
= Announcements =


You should read this instructional section thoroughly, and treat them as a guideline for how to host a meeting of Noisebridge. There are three ingredients to an [[Excellent]] meeting: A number of note takers, some facilitators, and participants.
* Ryan - Teaches restorative justice and NVC w/ high impact populations - less theory, more accessible, finger puppets for fun. Interested in holding a class on these things, sometime in December, esp. given the new combination of communities recently. ryan@kindus.org
 
* Kevin, Derek - San Francisco Developers Raspberry Pi Jam in late December, mr.kevin.garrett@gmail.com
Meetings are just one of the tools used at Noisebridge to create net forward progress on whatever it is we're all trying to do. Meetings aren't the only way to make decisions or have discussions, and in fact its usually a much better idea to talk about things outside the meeting before dragging the entire community kicking and screaming into it.
* Diana - MakeSF monthly meetup, simple basic kits to introduce people to making and hacking electronics/microcontrollers, 2nd Monday of the month 6-8pm
 
* Diana - Will set up a small bakeware lending library at Noisebridge!
== Note Takers ==
# Confirm last meeting was saved
# Take new notes
# Save and share the notes at the end of the meeting (instructions at the bottom).
 
== Facilitators ==
 
There are generally two kinds of facilitator roles at a Noisebridge meeting:
 
* Stack taker - Useful when a lot of folks want to hop on the discussion stack. This gives everyone a turn to have their feelings heard. Usually only works when there is exactly one stack taker.
* Moderators - Keeps the meeting moving and prevents everyone from wasting too much time on one subject. Anyone is free to pick up moderation and move the meeting along.
 
In general, moderators should:
* Understand the structure of Noisebridge [[consensus|decision-making]]
* Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak.
* Speak only minimally yourself.
* Keep the meeting moving, and avoid getting bogged down.
* Identify discussion items, arrange times limits for talking about each item.
* Identify and summarize consensus, suggest things that need to be done.
* '''Get the [[membership binder]] and ensure that it is returned safely.'''
 
== Participants ==
 
Everyone at a Noisebridge meeting who has consented to participating in one is a participant!
 
* Say your name before you talk.
* Remain on-topic, and speak as concisely as possible.
* Assist the note-taker with any links or corrections that are needed.
* Remain respectful of other participants, their time, and the consensus and moderation process.
 
 
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These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge]. Date: FIXME THE DATE HERE Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE; Moderators: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE.
* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
 
== Meeting Summary ==
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:
 
= Introductions =
 
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to explain''' [[Noisebridge_Vision|what Noisebridge is about]]:
<blockquote>Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."</blockquote>
* Introduce any experimental or unusual moderation techniques that may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
** What's your name?
** '''What's your preferred pronoun?'''
** What do you do?
** What do you maintain at Noisebridge?
** if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?
 
= Short announcements and events =
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short! One or two sentences please!
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
* Don't hog everyone's time since we all just want to hack!


= Safe Space =
= Safe Space =


'''Note:''' This section is experimental.  We discussed it at [[Meeting_Notes_2016_06_28]]. We're going to try it for the next meeting, and see how it goes, and then discuss in the discussion section how it went, and how we'd like to tweak it.
* Alex: Safe space means there's a lot of things that people want out of a space - community, workspace, etc - and we try to err on the side of helping people get their stuff done, instead of being a dating scene. But it's inevitable that things will happen, and so whenever someone feels like they need to have boundaries that aren't being understood, they can enlist help from others, to help get people to understand those boundaries, or if necessary, ask people to leave. It's not a ban, but just a temporary break. Can be mediated if someone's willing.
 
* Ben: If I've been asked to leave, what's the excellent thing to do?
Noisebridge is a safe space. '''Invite a volunteer to describe''' what that means.
* Alex: Good question! Don't get into a fight, don't take it personal. Just leave. Can ask who to contact to talk to about mediation, etc. But if you do something really bad, you might just be asked to gtfo forever.
 
Some specific points you might prompt the group to touch on, if it doesn't happen naturally:
* What to do if you feel uncomfortable.
* Noisebridge strives to be radically inclusive. What does that mean?
* Noisebridge has an antiharassment policy. What does that mean?
 
= Participation =


Invite a knowledgable volunteer to describe who can participate at Noisebridge, including:
= Philanthropy =
* Describe how to get an rfid key for the door system
* Describe how to get access to slack


= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
* Juan - A philanthropist is someone who has 24 hour access to the space and also is responsible for upholding the safe space policies and community guidelines (?). They are also responsible for anyone they let into the space, and if that person is not following the guidelines, then the philanthropist is responsible for asking that person to leave and attending to the matter. If a philanthropist is the last person in the space with 24 hour access, they have to close down when they leave, asking people without access to leave as well.
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe''' [[Philanthropist/Pledge|Philantropy]], and the application process.
* Alex - How does somebody become a philanthropist?
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Any applicants must have their sponsor present to vouch for them.
* Juan - Sign the sheet (in the binder,) have a clear understanding of the community's guidelines, volunteer for projects, help out, and, after having established yourself, you can ask a member to vouch for you.
* If there are no objections, they're a philanthropist! Their pledge should be handed over to the [[Secretary]] posthaste, after which their token will be updated to give them the 24/7 access they've earned(?)
* Alex - How can you lose philanthropist status?
* Juan - Breaking guidelines, letting someone in that does something terrible. No sleeping at Noisebridge.


= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
= Members =
Darryl and Nicole have applications in the binder. 2 and 7 checkmarks, rsp.
Merlin has about 9 million check marks and needs to come to a meeting.


* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe''' [[membership]], and the application process.
= Consensus Items (copied from last week) =
<blockquote>Being a member of Noisebridge is not like being a member of a gym or your local chess club. Anyone can come to Noisebridge to hack and learn: you don't need to be a member for that. At Noisebridge, membership is something different: it means taking responsibility and committing to help to maintain, improve, and govern Noisebridge. As a member of Noisebridge, you don't just come here to hack and learn, you actively work to improve what you see around you, help to deal with problems, and make this community and space better than it is today.</blockquote>
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Mark down a check or other indicator on every open application to keep track of how many weeks they've been read out.
* Anyone eligible to join this week should
** introduce themselves,
** answer any questions members may have for them, then
** leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime, or cookies) for the rest of the group.
* The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
* Remember to applaud new members when they return.


* Patrick - Outside these walls in the default world, we have great ways of making decisons that usually result in the winning side very happy, and everyone else sad. Consensus is the decision process that NB uses to make big decisions, like where should we move, should we sign a lease, what rules we have and to change.  For everything else, we have doocracy and don't need to have elongated discussions about it. It's a decision process where we bring proposals to the meeting and solidify them into a proposal.  We discuss them to solidfy them until it doesn't change for two meetings.  Then it comes up for consensus.  T?he only proposal that will pass consensus is one that all the members agree to.  If you have a proposal comes up that you disagree to, you have an obligation to make a counterproposal that both you and the person propsing can live with. There is the ablity to block consesnsu.  This is a nuclear option.  It's saying "if you let this pass, fuck you, I quit noisebridge.  This thing will cost the community my participation in NB."  It usually doesn't get used.


= Financial Report =
Everyone is free to participate in the consensus process, and the molding of the process.
* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials


= Consensus =
Concensus proposals are rare.  Proposals are on the wiki.  99.X% of decisions don't need big C consensus, but it exists for when we need it.


* '''invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on consensus process]]
* '''invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on consensus process]]
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''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''


Patrick: I propose NB establishes two separate funds for possible moving.
That Noisebridge establish two new funds.
CONSENSUS ITEM TEXT
1. A holding fee fund of $5,000 which will be used to "hold" properties forlease or sale that Noisebridge might consider in the future. These funds would allow us time to engage in a full capital C consensus process relating to the ultimate lease or purchase decision about our new space.


= Discussion =
2. A moving fund. This fund will collect money specifically for the costs associated in moving, renting, or purchasing a new space for Noisebridge. Should an agreement be reached with the current landlords at 2169 this money would be directed either to rent or to building improvements as required.


Longer discussion items belong here.  This is the last part of the meeting so that people can break off and continue their discussion afterwards.
END CONSENSUS ITEM TEXT


Patrick 1. alloc 5k from general fund into a holding fee fund, b/c in the process of doing the final consensus process, we might need to put some money down to prevent the location from going to some other party. Unlikely that it'll be exhausted, but is prudent.
 
    Lizzie: Can we have a process for when this will be spent?
    Patrick: Probably just little c consensus?
    Lizzie/Trent: Can we spell that out?
    Patrick: It seems unlikely that we'll just arbitrarily spend it
    Trent: Good opportunity to record the way of doing things that is historically verbal
    Lizzie: Good to head off an argument over how many spaces we spend this on, etc.
    Scotty: Whats the range usually?
    Trent: Victoria said she used 1k for a personal apt, at least
 
2. Moving fund. Looking at many options for financing leasing or buying. There'll be lots of fees, costs, to do this. This fund would be where we collect money donated specifically for the purposes of moving, etc. incl. legal fees to lawyers to figure out our current situation. This fund will start empty or w/ nominal amt for current legal rep. Will add a project to donate.noisebridge.net. If the fund is not expended and we get a lease, we can convert to rent money or general fund.


== Discussion Items ==
  Scotty: Maybe we shouldn't call it a moving fund b/c its for more than just moving costs, but also possibly buying a building, legal fees, etc.
 
  Trent: Is the purpose of this being separate b/c its going to be quite large ultimately?
  Patrick: Yes
  Trent: We should spell this out in the proposal text, that this is the purpose of it, and why it's separate.
  Trent: Also will this be specifically earmarked for moving??
  Patrick: Yes


If any important discussion happens, it should be happening after forward progress is made during consensus.
Trent is apathetic.


= End of Meeting =
</consensus item>


# Return the [[membership binder]] to its rightful location.
(Darryl explains consensus and Consensus.)
# Discuss any items for which there was not time during the meeting.
# Enjoy the company of your fellow hacker, robot, or robothacker.


== Note taker posts the notes ==
Alex - Most relevant discussion will take place in #new-space on Slack and on Saturday meetings.
# Clean and tidy the meeting notes including removing all these really verbose instructions.
# Fill out the short summary at the top listing just announcements, consensus items, discussion topics, and names of new members and philanthropists.
# Copy paste the notes to the [http://www.noisebridge.net//Next_meeting next meeting] page. (They will become [[Last meeting]] at midnight.)
# Email the meeting summary to [mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net?subject=MeetingNotes Noisebridge Discuss] and [mailto:noisebridge-announce@lists.noisebridge.net?subject=MeetingNotes Noisebridge Announce] lists.
# CC on the email treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members and philanthropists.
# Edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
# Edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.


== Fun things to do after ==
= Discussion =
* Reprise of the [[Hackernationale]]. [This is anarchy - we do what the wiki says!]
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now (if it doesn't happen '''before''' any given Meeting).  Ask others around the space or check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.


Kevin - If somebody had a fundraising idea that's consistent w/ Noisebridge's ethos, how do you bring it up?
Darryl - Right here.
Kevin - Cool! So, I think it may be possible to use Pi's + solar power subsidies to fund raise by mining cryptocurrencies. Was talking w/ someone from Chicago about this. Going to do a proof of concept w/ Derek to see what happens.
Frank - There's this thing Parallela that might be relevant
Ben - So w/ lots of Pi's, that'd be expensive, maybe could do commodity hardware? i.e. not CPU
Kevin - The numbers suggest Pi's are better for CPU mining
Roy - Here physically?
Kevin - Proof of concept, no, but NB could do it! It wouldn't take up too much space for the Pis, the discussion would be mostly on the panels.
Roy - No roof access :( A solar panel array would be hard. (Similar for fire escape.)
Ben - Also given that we aren't guaranteed to be here beyond August, this might not be feasible.
Kevin - Could do it anywhere, someone might want to allow use of roofspace
Ben - #make-a-billion in Slack


[[Category:Meeting Notes]]
Ryan - How do I host an event, like a cool NVC workshop?
People - Pick a day. Make sure it doesn't conflict with other events on the wiki. Put it on MeetUp / message admins there.


[[File:Techshop.gif]]
(Meeting closed, with ongoing disucssion about Tech Shop ensuing!)

Latest revision as of 20:10, 28 November 2017

Unmeeting!

Participants[edit]

  • Darryl - Haskell, category theory, type theory, laser cutter class, etc.
  • Cole - haskell, robots
  • Ryan McCarthy - NonViolentCommunication, restorative justice
  • Corey - techshop refugee, robots
  • Dave (caligrapher, print maker, interested in stereo microscope)
  • Diana Greer - does nothing!
  • Ryan (pyconaut) - games, 3D/VR, and more!
  • Kevin - coorganized a raspberry pi group at techshop w/ Derek
  • Derek - coorganized a raspberry pi group at techshop w/ Kevin
  • Nicole (gaardn) - codes and plays with the lazer
  • Juan - functional engineer, software engineer, daytime hacker of sorts
  • Dany (danyq) - book scanning
  • Michael - software engineer by day, pointless things by night, animation
  • J (J)- runs CHM, teaches kids electronics and cool stuff
  • Michael (mondo) - student, here to learn, yes please! please teach me
  • Ben- internet and internet accessories
  • Alex (lxpk) - teaches gamedev on tuesdays, NVC stuff

Announcements[edit]

  • Ryan - Teaches restorative justice and NVC w/ high impact populations - less theory, more accessible, finger puppets for fun. Interested in holding a class on these things, sometime in December, esp. given the new combination of communities recently. ryan@kindus.org
  • Kevin, Derek - San Francisco Developers Raspberry Pi Jam in late December, mr.kevin.garrett@gmail.com
  • Diana - MakeSF monthly meetup, simple basic kits to introduce people to making and hacking electronics/microcontrollers, 2nd Monday of the month 6-8pm
  • Diana - Will set up a small bakeware lending library at Noisebridge!

Safe Space[edit]

  • Alex: Safe space means there's a lot of things that people want out of a space - community, workspace, etc - and we try to err on the side of helping people get their stuff done, instead of being a dating scene. But it's inevitable that things will happen, and so whenever someone feels like they need to have boundaries that aren't being understood, they can enlist help from others, to help get people to understand those boundaries, or if necessary, ask people to leave. It's not a ban, but just a temporary break. Can be mediated if someone's willing.
  • Ben: If I've been asked to leave, what's the excellent thing to do?
  • Alex: Good question! Don't get into a fight, don't take it personal. Just leave. Can ask who to contact to talk to about mediation, etc. But if you do something really bad, you might just be asked to gtfo forever.

Philanthropy[edit]

  • Juan - A philanthropist is someone who has 24 hour access to the space and also is responsible for upholding the safe space policies and community guidelines (?). They are also responsible for anyone they let into the space, and if that person is not following the guidelines, then the philanthropist is responsible for asking that person to leave and attending to the matter. If a philanthropist is the last person in the space with 24 hour access, they have to close down when they leave, asking people without access to leave as well.
  • Alex - How does somebody become a philanthropist?
  • Juan - Sign the sheet (in the binder,) have a clear understanding of the community's guidelines, volunteer for projects, help out, and, after having established yourself, you can ask a member to vouch for you.
  • Alex - How can you lose philanthropist status?
  • Juan - Breaking guidelines, letting someone in that does something terrible. No sleeping at Noisebridge.

Members[edit]

Darryl and Nicole have applications in the binder. 2 and 7 checkmarks, rsp. Merlin has about 9 million check marks and needs to come to a meeting.

Consensus Items (copied from last week)[edit]

  • Patrick - Outside these walls in the default world, we have great ways of making decisons that usually result in the winning side very happy, and everyone else sad. Consensus is the decision process that NB uses to make big decisions, like where should we move, should we sign a lease, what rules we have and to change. For everything else, we have doocracy and don't need to have elongated discussions about it. It's a decision process where we bring proposals to the meeting and solidify them into a proposal. We discuss them to solidfy them until it doesn't change for two meetings. Then it comes up for consensus. T?he only proposal that will pass consensus is one that all the members agree to. If you have a proposal comes up that you disagree to, you have an obligation to make a counterproposal that both you and the person propsing can live with. There is the ablity to block consesnsu. This is a nuclear option. It's saying "if you let this pass, fuck you, I quit noisebridge. This thing will cost the community my participation in NB." It usually doesn't get used.

Everyone is free to participate in the consensus process, and the molding of the process.

Concensus proposals are rare. Proposals are on the wiki. 99.X% of decisions don't need big C consensus, but it exists for when we need it.

  • invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give a brief primer on consensus process
  • It is important that everyone in attendance understands at least:
    • Blocking with verbalized principled objections.
    • Why we use consensus over other approaches to decision making.
    • How consensus isn't a legislative process
    • Why consensus isn't applicable to some things like conflict resolution, resolution of time sinks, and the like.

Proposals from last week [edit]

(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the Consensus Items History page.)

Proposals for next week [edit]

(Add any new items for consensus to the Current Consensus Items page.)

Patrick: I propose NB establishes two separate funds for possible moving.

That Noisebridge establish two new funds.

CONSENSUS ITEM TEXT

1. A holding fee fund of $5,000 which will be used to "hold" properties forlease or sale that Noisebridge might consider in the future. These funds would allow us time to engage in a full capital C consensus process relating to the ultimate lease or purchase decision about our new space.

2. A moving fund. This fund will collect money specifically for the costs associated in moving, renting, or purchasing a new space for Noisebridge. Should an agreement be reached with the current landlords at 2169 this money would be directed either to rent or to building improvements as required.

END CONSENSUS ITEM TEXT

Patrick 1. alloc 5k from general fund into a holding fee fund, b/c in the process of doing the final consensus process, we might need to put some money down to prevent the location from going to some other party. Unlikely that it'll be exhausted, but is prudent.

   Lizzie: Can we have a process for when this will be spent?
   Patrick: Probably just little c consensus?
   Lizzie/Trent: Can we spell that out?
   Patrick: It seems unlikely that we'll just arbitrarily spend it
   Trent: Good opportunity to record the way of doing things that is historically verbal
   Lizzie: Good to head off an argument over how many spaces we spend this on, etc.
   Scotty: Whats the range usually?
   Trent: Victoria said she used 1k for a personal apt, at least
 

2. Moving fund. Looking at many options for financing leasing or buying. There'll be lots of fees, costs, to do this. This fund would be where we collect money donated specifically for the purposes of moving, etc. incl. legal fees to lawyers to figure out our current situation. This fund will start empty or w/ nominal amt for current legal rep. Will add a project to donate.noisebridge.net. If the fund is not expended and we get a lease, we can convert to rent money or general fund.

 Scotty: Maybe we shouldn't call it a moving fund b/c its for more than just moving costs, but also possibly buying a building, legal fees, etc.
 
 Trent: Is the purpose of this being separate b/c its going to be quite large ultimately?
 Patrick: Yes
 Trent: We should spell this out in the proposal text, that this is the purpose of it, and why it's separate.
 Trent: Also will this be specifically earmarked for moving??
 Patrick: Yes

Trent is apathetic.

</consensus item>

(Darryl explains consensus and Consensus.)

Alex - Most relevant discussion will take place in #new-space on Slack and on Saturday meetings.

Discussion[edit]

Kevin - If somebody had a fundraising idea that's consistent w/ Noisebridge's ethos, how do you bring it up? Darryl - Right here. Kevin - Cool! So, I think it may be possible to use Pi's + solar power subsidies to fund raise by mining cryptocurrencies. Was talking w/ someone from Chicago about this. Going to do a proof of concept w/ Derek to see what happens. Frank - There's this thing Parallela that might be relevant Ben - So w/ lots of Pi's, that'd be expensive, maybe could do commodity hardware? i.e. not CPU Kevin - The numbers suggest Pi's are better for CPU mining Roy - Here physically? Kevin - Proof of concept, no, but NB could do it! It wouldn't take up too much space for the Pis, the discussion would be mostly on the panels. Roy - No roof access :( A solar panel array would be hard. (Similar for fire escape.) Ben - Also given that we aren't guaranteed to be here beyond August, this might not be feasible. Kevin - Could do it anywhere, someone might want to allow use of roofspace Ben - #make-a-billion in Slack

Ryan - How do I host an event, like a cool NVC workshop? People - Pick a day. Make sure it doesn't conflict with other events on the wiki. Put it on MeetUp / message admins there.

(Meeting closed, with ongoing disucssion about Tech Shop ensuing!)