Meeting Notes 2019 07 23

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These are the notes from the The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge.

Meeting notes
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Date: 2019-07-23
Note-taker: fixme
Moderators: nthmost

* Nthmost got knighted.
* More rent discussion.

Meeting Summary
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### Fundraising Update:

  * No updates.

### Announcements:

  * Human made is now open.
  * There is now a SQL class every Wednesday @ 7pm.
  * Elevator is still down & more information is being gathered.

* Finances:
  * No updates.

* New members:
  * No new members.

* New philanthropists:
  * No new philanthropists

* Consensus Items:
  * None.

* Discussion Items:
  * Removing folks from the 86 list

Intro
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Nth: Hello noisebridge.

*folks in the hackitorium grumble as they play Tux Kart*

Mary_Poppins: The time now is 21:03.

Nth: Does anyone want to describe NB in less than 2 mins?

Tim: *grumbles out some words*

Nth: Let's timebox this.

Cory: Leelo, describe NB.

Leelo: A place where you make shit.

Nth: Alright? we have 60 seconds left, what else is NB?

Lemons: The place is run by consensus and not voting

Introductions
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* Ian: He/Him: Stuff.

* Daniel he/him: Psycology major.

* Austin: he/him: First time here, likes to do math. Math major.

* Cory: Build and teach robotics.

* Leelo: I'm Leelo and I tag along with my dad.

* James: Doing a meeting show at his warehouse and it's free.

* Freddy: He/Him. Music nerd.

* Lemons: Laser trainer, teaches lasers here.

* David: Laser trainer, does some CNC stuff, machining, portotyping stuff.

* Jay: I'm Jay.

* Tim: Locked into a battle with Leelo, does genetic engeering.

* Riley: I'm Riley, enjoy hanging around at nb and messing with OSS.

* Jack: Does stuff.

* Steve: Cypherpunk. 3 yrs in SF. Few weeks gonna do a class at NB to protect yourself from all foreign & domestic threats.

* Daniel: (could not hear them!)

* Naomi (Nth): Super sleep deprived, gonna make meeting fast and it's going to be fun.


Short announcements and events
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* Cory:
  - Human made is now open.
  - Who here remebers tech shop? It died and we had a wake here at NB.
  - The wake made someone cry because it was so awesome...
  - Human made is a non-profit, has the same tools, and is transparent.
  - Has a membership, $250/mo.
  - Expensive, but you get access to CNC, mills, routers, lathes, all that shit.

* Freddy:
  - SQL class tomorrow.
  - Slides on meetup.
  - Weekly on Wednesdays @ 7pm.

* Nth:
  - The elevator is officially out of service.
  - The government says it's out of service in their database.
  - Continuing to collect more information from the government.

* Tim:
  - As soon as bar bot is up, Super Tux Kart turny.
  - Tim offers one free-for-donation drink from the bar bot if you win.

* Steve:
  - On Aug 23 , from 6-9pm going to do a surveliene class using Tor, VPN's, ..., on.
  - Date/Time: This Saturday at 6--9pm

* Nth:
  - Communitative Restoration workshop today at 7pm.
  - Great way to create responsibility agreements between people.
  - It's a communications protocol to avoid conflict.
  - This Thursday at 7pm.
  - It's on the Discuss calendar (discuss.noisebridge.info).
  - Will not be on meetup.com

Excellence
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(What does that mean?  How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this?  Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is?  This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)

leelo: no definiton of excellence, it's just excellent.
tim: you don't have to be nice, you just have to be excellence
Andy: step up, and step back. Realize how to be useful to people in the space. Help rearrange things. Be do-ocratic
Steve: in order to be excellent, you have to not be unexcellent. don't be a jerk.
Nth: anti-harassment policy for anyone who needs guidelines on how to be excellent.


= Participation =

(What does that mean?  How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)

Riley: you can step up and try to do something that needs help around here. If anyone is working on a project you can jump on and try to assist them with it.
  ?: what are ways to donate, like laptops. they're like old thinkpad's x220. has a samsung(i5)
  tim: if they work, bring them in.
  cory: there is a concept called reverse theft (things donated that we have to throw away).


= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)

Tim: money
Riley: someone who donates, but supposidly gets access to the door.
Tim: Riley does not have access, does not have 24/7
Lemons: See me after the meeting, you'll get access.
Tim: There is 24/7 door access, but there is guest access.
Tim: Unless you have some permissions on Mary, you can't get access to grant 24.
Nth: is anyone in the Philanthropist binder?
Tim: is anyone in the binder here today?
Nth: *lays down the law at Tim*
Tim: dammnnnnn

Nth: so nobody is in the binder?
Tim: no one is here to advocate for themselves in the binder?


= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''

(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)

Nth: difference between membership or a philanthropist?

*silence, avoiding the question, etc*

Nth: members have the ability to block a consensus item. does not meen consensus stops. *tells story of the bike shed paint, (see wiki)*. The only way to stop a consensus is if it is dropped.
Nth: When do we use formal consensue?
Tim: for big-ticket things
Tim: e.g. Moving, breaking walls.... Nth: no, no.
Nth: Anything on membership?
Nth: Members also pay a donation amount per month?
Nth: What's next, consensus items?


= Financial Report =
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''

* Funds in bank:
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
* The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

== Fundraising Update ==
'''How's it all going'''

*waiting on an SMS*

= Consensus =
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''

(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)

Nth: I block.
Tim: *cheers*

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

*skipped*

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''


*skipped*

= Discussion =


Tim: was the last item that we didn't move to Guerro?
Nth: Yes. The lawyering team sent us a statement (Alice). 668 Guerro is too high of a risk according to them in terms of length of time, permiting issues, and we might not be able to get out of them if we move. Their advice was not to move to the new location. Think of lawyer advice as advice, and not commands?
Cory: reasons for not going there?
Nth: Said terms of lease not agreeable, can renegotiate. The time's up in 3 yrs anyway at that property: landlord looking to sell, or demolish building. Does not give us much of a savings budget if we move to Guerro.
Cory: there's been a discussion of revenue other than membership.
Nth: Yes. I believe that NB can hit any target that's necessary for us,
Cory: the thing that attracts me to this location. is that we can move in, establish ourselves. we don't have to present any dream or vision.
Nth: not strong about 668 Guerro, folks of NB have been driven away from lawyers advice. lawyers are going to advise us to go for things that are low risk.
cory: if memory serves me correctly, we have use sf maid heavily in the past
Cory: org. that is a non-profit, helps with vocational training, how to deal with the city, etc....
Nth: ok. alright.
Cory: I don't know who I can help introduce SF maid as a potential resource.
Nth: ok, we can chat about it later. if it doesn't involve legal decision making.
James: Have we talked to Tyler about this?
Nth: If he was here, I would be asking him to relay
James: as far as I can remember, he has been given an extreme about of responsibily about this.
James: he is doing his best to get us in here, and he thinks it's dead. he is in a holding pattern with the landlord trying to renegotiate terms. people keep giving him multiple advice. I think he is confused. Tyler told me that the convo between landlord and lease was not actually true. There is no reason they might not renew our lease. They said that they were totally open to that.
Steve: as long as we increase our rent?
James: None of this has been negotiated.

*talks around the table about organizational structure*

Nth: what's the next stuff
James: negotiate new terms with LL
Cory: Guerro?
Nth: Backup plan.
Lemons: no reason to turn down guerro. we need a plan B. we need to park this battle somewhere. idk. maybe there? no reason to shut it down.
Cory: resources?
Lemons: another round of talks for this meeting to figure out risk. Lawyers are giving us sound legal advice around how org. operate at a legal capacity. not saying we need to do that. we have a different risk profile. to us, the biggest risk is that we can't sign a lease.
cory: biggest risk is not doing anything
lemons: signing a lease here kicks the can down the road, but in any event, we need to take a risk no matter what.
Nth: does anyone want to sign up for any more discussion points?

Nth: anybody else?

Nth: the fact that the second floor tenits moved out... we should use that to our advantage

Steve: as a meta point. is there an upcoming meeting related to this?
Nth: NO, let's call one.
Riley: where's official information that has information from our perspective landlords?
Steve: ...
Riley: We've been going off heresay
Nth: we need some kind of memory bank.
riley: Our information is unreliable, e.g. this person sent me a text message
Nth: communications are going through emails

Ruth: Currently it's Me, tyler, and ??

Nth:

Ruth: People have been interested in 2nd floor of building, but becaus ethey have agents, you have to give the agents a lot of money. nobody has confirmed they want the second floor yet

nth: how can we create mor etransparensy around LL conversation?
nth: I don't know / privvy on the inforation

ruth: don't want negotations to be public, but want t obe open enough that epople in the community have access.

nth: when wat the email sent to brian?

ruth: he said that he would get back on monday...
nth: ok.
nth: is therre someway that we can post some of this stuff on the discuss? not details details...

steve: post things where you have to have an account on discourse, not completly open, but everyone here can see it.

nth: that makes sense

ruth: don't think the landlord has an account.

tim: how can we know LL isn't on it?

cory: how about putting a note under slack

James: no reason we can't do both (slack, discuss)

. . .

cory: if I were going to bring one person with all the knowledge in their head, who should I bring?

ruth: either me or Tyler

James: we can turn on complete slack integration.
ruth: tyler said: hey brian, I wanted to ge the ball rolling on extending our lease here. remove elevator responsibility. rent will remain fixed. happy to discuss any of the disclosed terms. this place has become a home for us. happy to talk with you more on monday.

steve: who is bian?

ruth: the property manager.

nth: entire time here, we deal with brian.

cory: could you (to ruth) go with?

cory: and the other person is tyler? I can't put the name to the face.

riley: the really tall guy?

cory: oh yeah.

* discussion about NB made (?) *

* discussion of 86 list *

  high level:
    - we have slowed down the ban rate at noisebridge (additons to the 86 list).
    - our ban rate seems to be the lowest ever in our 10yr history.
    - who moderates the 86 list?
    - what do we want on the 86 list specifically?
      nth: the justice system in the default world has categories for people as well.
    - should we remove people from the 86 list?
      * permissions, who can do this, little-c to add, little-c to remove?

nth: the more people in the 86 list, the less effective it is. if you know the 86 list is people you're not supposed to be let in.

* discussion about the length of the list *

* discussions & stories about kicking people out *

* the 86 list is confusing *
* mention of somone biting someone else's thumb *

Jack: can we have a story time for these?

. . .

Cory: We need an 86 1/2 page
Steve: We used to have an 85 list. Gossip page. Rumors about someone.
James: that's why people didn't want to use that page anymore.
Riley: it was too petty.
Tim: We already have #spaceguardians channel.
Riley: 86 is kind-of an extreme measure. Unless we have a temporary ban list.
Nth: no official process.
Riley: it's a door acessory essentially
cory: present channel for people to suggest that they want to come back. if they want to come back, then we worry about it. it seems like the majoridy of those people don't come back.
tim: I agree with cory.
cory: we will figure out what it takes.
tim: anyone willing to put in the effort to get someone who went through an 86 to come back?
steve: to ask it in the abstract... there is like... the guy who got banned over Christmas that I don't agree with. there are people who are here that want that person back.
cory: can we have an email address?
tim: gonna set up G-suite (points to nth), if you have time in the future.
james: why do we need G suite?
nth: we don't, can use a low-tech solution that's better.
nth: superQ has the DNS server that noisebridge.net is using. I have the domain name, but...
James: transfer to Gandi.
nth: nope.
James: transfer to treasurer?
nth: I need a ceronomy for getting the domain from some apple bottom guy.

* TIM GRABS MIC *
* TIM SCREAMS CONGRATS FOR GETTIN' DOMAIN *
* APPLAUSE *
* CHEERS *
* TIM TURNS ON MUSIC *
* RILEY IS DANCIN' WITH LIGHT GLOBE THINGS *

* tim continues to humor nth. gives nth a silver necklace, and nth is embracing all the attention. everyone is shuffling around the space gathering random cosplay items. there currently looking for a weeb sord.... *

* charlie delivers sword *

* TIM IS KNIGHTING nth with the cosplay sword... weeb sord, sorry *

* TIM KNIGHTS nth *

* APPLAUSE FROM THE HACKITORIUM *

* cheers *

* nth shows off a flamingo gift to the hackitorium, and exits *

nth: That's all I wanted, not necessarily a thank you, but a ritual. that's all I wanted.

nth: anything else for the meeting?

cory: I forgot where we were.

nth: great. thanks everybody.

cory: what the hell is that?

tim: it's the weeb blade.

nth: weed?

tim: NO w-e-e-b blade.

* hackitorium breaks down into different discussions *

* cory tells a story about crackheads trying to assemble metal using a blow torch *

* victoria once had to take a torch from a crackhead that was melting something for an hour *

James: can we hear the legend of how you got that domain?

* story ensues *


== Discussion Item 1 ==

== Discussion Item 2 ==

= End of Meeting =