Meeting Notes 2019 07 23
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These are the notes from the The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge.
Meeting notes
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Date: 2019-07-23
Note-taker: Jay Querie
Moderators: nthmost
* Nthmost got knighted.
* More rent discussion.
* Removing entries from the 86 list.
Meeting Summary
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### Fundraising Update:
* No updates.
### Announcements:
* Human made is now open.
* There is now a SQL class every Wednesday @ 7pm.
* Elevator is still down & more information is being gathered.
* Finances:
* No updates.
* New members:
* No new members.
* New philanthropists:
* No new philanthropists
* Consensus Items:
* None.
* Discussion Items:
* Removing folks from the 86 list
Intro
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Nth: Hello Noisebridge.
*folks in the hackitorium grumble as they play Tux Kart*
Mary_Poppins: The time now is 21:03.
Nth: Does anyone want to describe NB in less than 2 mins?
Tim: *grumbles out some words*
Nth: Let's timebox this.
Cory: Leelo, describe NB.
Leelo: A place where you make shit.
Nth: Alright? we have 60 seconds left, what else is NB?
Lemons: The place is run by consensus and not voting
Introductions
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* Ian (He/Him): Stuff.
* Daniel (He/Him): Psycology major.
* Austin (He/Him): First time here, likes to do math. Math major.
* Cory : Build and teach robotics.
* Leelo : I'm Leelo and I tag along with my dad.
* James : Doing a meeting show at his warehouse and it's free.
* Freddy (He/Him): Music nerd.
* Lemons : Laser trainer, teaches lasers here.
* David : Laser trainer, does some CNC stuff, machining, prototyping stuff.
* Jay : I'm Jay.
* Tim : *Locked into a battle with Leelo*. Genetic Engineering.
* Riley : I'm Riley, enjoy hanging around at NB and messing with OSS.
* Jack : Does stuff.
* Steve : Cypherpunk. 3 yrs in SF. Few weeks gonna do a class at NB
on how to protect yourself from all foreign & domestic
threats.
* Daniel : (could not hear them!)
* Naomi (Nth) : Super sleep deprived, gonna make meeting fast and it's
going to be fun.
Short announcements and events
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* Cory:
- Human made is now open.
- Who here remebers tech shop? It died and we had a wake here at NB.
- The wake made someone cry because it was so awesome...
- Human made is a non-profit, has the same tools, and is transparent.
- Has a membership, $250/mo.
- Expensive, but you get access to CNC, mills, routers, lathes, all that shit.
* Freddy:
- SQL class tomorrow.
- Slides on meetup.
- Weekly on Wednesdays @ 7pm.
* Nth:
- The elevator is officially out of service.
- The government says it's out of service in their database.
- Continuing to collect more information from the government.
* Tim:
- As soon as bar bot is up, Super Tux Kart turny.
- Tim offers one free-for-donation drink from the bar bot if you win.
* Steve:
- On Aug 23 , from 6-9pm going to do a surveliene class using Tor, VPN's, ..., on.
- Date/Time: This Saturday at 6--9pm
* Nth:
- Communitative Restoration workshop today at 7pm.
- Great way to create responsibility agreements between people.
- It's a communications protocol to avoid conflict.
- This Thursday at 7pm.
- It's on the Discuss calendar (discuss.noisebridge.info).
- Will not be on meetup.com
Excellence
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Leelo: No definiton of excellence---it's just excellent.
Tim: You don't have to be nice, you just have to be excellent.
Lemons: Step up, and step back. Realize how to be useful to people
in the space. Help rearrange things. Be do-ocratic.
Steve: In order to be excellent, you have to not be unexcellent---
Don't be a jerk.
Nth: Anti-harassment policy for anyone who needs guidelines on how
to be excellent.
Participation
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Riley: You can step up and try to do something that needs help around
here. If anyone is working on a project you can jump on and try to
assist them with it.
Austin: What are ways to donate, like laptops? They're like old thinkpad's
x220. has a samsung(i5)
Tim: If they work, bring them in.
Cory: There is a concept called reverse theft (things donated that we
have to then throw away).
Philanthropist
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> (What does that mean?
> What do we expect from Philanthropists?
> How do you become one?
> etc)
Tim: Money.
Riley: Someone who donates & gets access to the door.
Tim: Riley does not have access, does not have 24/7.
Lemons: See me after the meeting, you'll get access.
Tim: There is 24/7 door access, but there is guest access. Unless you have
some permissions on Mary, you can't get access to grant 24.
Nth: Is anyone in the Philanthropist binder?
Tim: Is anyone in the binder here today?
*Nth lays down the law about something towards Tim*
Tim: Dammnnnnn
Nth: So nobody is in the binder?
Tim: No one is here to advocate for themselves in the binder?
Membership Binder
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> '''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''
>
> (What does that mean?
> What do we expect from Members?
> How do you become a Member?
> etc)
Nth: Difference between membership or a philanthropist?
*silence, avoiding the question, etc*
Nth: Members have the ability to block a consensus item. Does not meen
consensus stops.
*tells story of the bike shed paint, ([see wiki][1])*.
[1]: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Process
Nth: The only way to stop a consensus is if it is dropped.
Nth: When do we use formal consensue?
Tim: For big-ticket things...
Tim: e.g. Moving, breaking walls....
Nth: no, no.
*discussion moves on*
Nth: Anything on membership?
Nth: Members also pay a donation amount per month?
Nth: What's next, consensus items?
Financial Report
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Did not discuss (Treasurer is out on vacation).
Fundraising Update
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Did not discuss (Fundraising meeting didn't happen in the space)
Consensus
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> '''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''
>
> (How does Consensus work?
> What types of things are good for formal Consensus?
> What is small-c consensus?
> What is a "block"?)
Nth: I block.
Tim: *cheers*
Consensus Items History & Proposals from last week
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Tim: Was the last item that we didn't move to Guerro?
Nth: Yes. The lawyering team sent us a statement (Alice). 668 Guerro
is too high of a risk according to them in terms of length of time,
permiting issues, and we might not be able to get out of the terms if
we move. Their advice was not to move to the new location. Think of
lawyer advice as advice, and not commands?
Cory: Reasons for not going there?
Nth: Said terms of lease not agreeable, can renegotiate. The time's up
in 3 years anyway at that property: landlord looking to sell, or
demolish the building. Does not give us much of a savings budget if
we move to Guerro.
Current Consensus Items & Proposals for next week
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Skipped
Discussion (RENT)
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Cory: There's been a discussion of revenue other than membership?
Nth: Yes. I believe that NB can hit any target that's necessary for us.
Cory: The thing that attracts me to this location... is that we
can move in & establish ourselves. We don't have to present any
dream or vision.
Nth: Not strong about 668 Guerro, folks of NB have been driven
away from lawyers advice. Lawyers are going to advise us to go for
things that are low risk.
Cory: If memory serves me correctly, we have use SF maid heavily
in the past. It's a non profit organization that helps with vocational
training, how to deal with the city, etc....
Nth: ok. alright.
Cory: I don't know who I can help introduce SF maid as a potential resource.
Nth: ok, we can chat about it later. if it doesn't involve legal
decision making.
James: Have we talked to Tyler about this?
Nth: If he was here, I would be asking him to reply.
James: as far as I can remember, he has been given an extreme about of
responsibily about this.
James: He is doing his best to get us in here, and he thinks it's
dead. He is in a holding pattern with the landlord trying to
renegotiate terms. People keep giving him multiple advice. I think
he is confused. Tyler told me that the convo between landlord and
lease was not actually true. There is no reason they might not renew
our lease. They said that they were totally open to that.
Steve: As long as we increase our rent?
James: None of this has been negotiated.
*talks around the table about organizational structure*
Nth: What's the next stuff?
James: Negotiate new terms with the current landlord
Cory: Guerro?
Nth: Backup plan.
Lemons: No reason to turn down guerro. We need a plan B. We need to
park this battle somewhere. idk. maybe there? no reason to shut it down.
Cory: Resources?
Lemons: Another round of talks for this meeting to figure out risk. Lawyers
are giving us sound legal advice around how organizations operate at a legal
capacity. Not saying we need to do that. We have a different risk profile. To
us, the biggest risk is that we can't sign a lease.
Cory: Biggest risk is not doing anything.
Lemons: Signing a lease here kicks the can down the road, but in any
event, we need to take a risk no matter what.
Nth: Does anyone want to sign up for any more discussion points?
Nth: Anybody else?
Nth: The fact that the second floor tenits moved out... we should use that
to our advantage
Steve: As a meta point---Is there an upcoming meeting related to this?
Nth: NO, let's call one.
Riley: Where's official information that has information from our perspective landlords?
Steve: ...
Riley: We've been going off hearsay.
Nth: We need some kind of memory bank.
Riley: Our information is unreliable, e.g. "this person sent me a text message".
Nth: Communications are going through emails as well.
--> * Ruth joins the discussion in the Hackitorium *
Ruth: Currently it's Me, Tyler, and ??
Nth: ...
Ruth: People have been interested in 2nd floor of building, but because
they have agents, you have to give the agents a lot of money. Nobody
has confirmed they want the second floor yet.
Nth: how can we create more transparensy around the landlord conversation?
Nth: I don't know / privvy on the information
Ruth: Don't want negotations to be public, but want to be open enough
that people in the community have access.
Nth: When was the email sent to Brian?
Ruth: He said that he would get back on Monday...
Nth: Ok.
Nth: Is there someway that we can post some of this stuff on the
discuss? Not details details...
Steve: Post things where you have to have an account on discourse, not
completly open, but everyone here can see it.
Nth: That makes sense.
Ruth: Don't think the landlord has an account.
Tim: How can we know landlord isn't on it?
Cory: How about putting a note under slack?
James: No reason we can't do both (slack, discuss)
Cory: If I were going to bring one person with all the knowledge
in their head, who should I bring?
Ruth: Either me or Tyler.
James: We can turn on complete slack integration.
Ruth (dictating tylers email to the crowd):
- Tyler said:
- "Hey Brian, I wanted to get the ball rolling on extending our lease here".
- Remove elevator responsibility.
- Rent will remain fixed.
- Happy to discuss any of the disclosed terms.
- This place has become a home for us.
- Happy to talk with you more on monday.
Steve: Who is Brian?
Ruth: The property manager.
Nth: For the entire time here, we deal with Brian.
Cory (directed at Ruth): Could you go with me?
Ruth: *says that she can't*
Cory: And the other person is Tyler? I can't put the name to the face.
Riley: The really tall guy.
Cory: Oh yeah.
- - -
Discussion (Noisebridge Made (?))
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Skipped.
Discussion of 86 list
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### High level:
- We have slowed down the ban rate at Noisebridge (additons to the 86 list).
- Our ban rate seems to be the lowest ever in our 10yr history.
- Who moderates the 86 list?
- What do we want on the 86 list specifically?
* Nth: The justice system in the default world has categories
for people as well.
- Should we remove people from the 86 list?
* permissions,
* who can do this,
* little-c to add --- little-c to remove?
Nth: The more people in the 86 list, the less effective it is. If you know
the 86 list is people you're not supposed to be let in, it's hard to
memorize.
* discussion about the length of the list *
* discussions & stories about kicking people out *
* the 86 list is confusing *
* mention of somone biting someone else's thumb *
Jack: Can we have a story time for these?
Cory: We need an 86 1/2 page
Steve: We used to have an 85 list. Gossip page. Rumors about someone.
James: That's why people didn't want to use that page anymore.
Riley: It was too petty.
Tim: We already have #spaceguardians channel.
Riley: 86 is kind-of an extreme measure. Unless we have a temporary ban list.
Nth: No official process.
Riley: It's a door acessory essentially
Cory: Present channel for people to suggest that they want to come back. If
they want to come back, then we worry about it. It seems like the majority
of those people don't come back.
Tim: I agree with cory.
Cory: We will figure out what it takes.
Tim: Anyone willing to put in the effort to get someone who went through an
86 to come back?
Steve: To ask it in the abstract... there is like... the guy who got banned
over Christmas that I don't agree with. There are people who are here that
want that person back.
Discussion of Noisebridge.net email
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Cory: Can we have an email address?
Tim: Gonna set up G-suite (points to Nth), if you have time in the future.
James: Why do we need G suite?
Nth: We don't, can use a low-tech solution that's better. SuperQ has the DNS
server that noisebridge.net is using. I have the domain name, but...
James: Transfer to Gandi.
Nth: Nope.
James: Transfer to Tyler / Treasurer?
Nth: No. I need a ceronomy for getting the domain name back.
* TIM GRABS MIC *
* TIM SCREAMS CONGRATS FOR GETTIN' DOMAIN *
* APPLAUSE FROM HACKITORIUM *
* CHEERS *
* TIM TURNS ON HEAVY DUBSTEP MUSIC *
* RILEY IS DANCIN' WITH LIGHT GLOBE THINGS *
* Tim continues to humor Nth. Gives nth a silver necklace, and Nth is
embracing all the attention. Everyone is shuffling around the space
gathering random cosplay items. There currently looking for a "weeb
sord".... *
* Charlie delivers sword *
* TIM IS KNIGHTING Nth with the cosplay sword... "weeb sord", sorry *
* TIM KNIGHTS Nth *
* APPLAUSE FROM THE HACKITORIUM *
* cheers *
* Nth shows off a flamingo gift to the Hackitorium, and exits stage left *
Nth: That's all I wanted, not necessarily a thank you, but a
ritual. That's all I wanted.
Nth: anything else for the meeting?
Cory: I forgot where we were.
Nth: Great. Thanks everybody.
Cory: What the hell is that? (referencing the sword)
Tim: it's the weeb blade.
Nth: weed?
Tim: NO w-e-e-b blade.
* hackitorium breaks down into different discussions *
* Cory tells a story about crackheads trying to assemble metal
using a blow torch *
* Victoria once had to take a torch from a crackhead that was
melting something for an hour *
James (to Nth): can we hear the legend of how you got that domain?
* story ensues as everyone listens intently *