Editing Meeting Notes 2022 04 12 (section)

== Discussion Item 2 ==
space cleanlieness

Dave - Soldering iron was left on overnight upstairs. If you are doing project it is your responsibility to clean up after. Philanthropists closing up have secondary responsibilty to make sure everyone else did their job. We fail keeping space clean. I am seeing dirty used dishes everywhere. I am throwing them in trash when I see them. I feel we should get rid of all food and dishes.

LX - this has happened many times in the past. People have argued about this a lot. I personally see a limited use "cafe" with certain prescribed functions as being beneficial to the space. Very useful for events and such. C Base in berlin has a full bar (the space is basically a night club). Something like this is something to look up to. Serving a limited set of things, with dishes staying at the space not really part of the equation.

Ronald - there should be more events like 2 a day so people seeing it as infeasible to do that kind of thing. When people are not in the space except for a few people it allows them to use rooms for the entire day and want to cook food and nobody will stop you. More people leads to more having to be cleaner. The space is meant for a lot of people not just 5 at a time.

Dave - with more people here, rules can be enforced better.

Ronald - if more people were here all you'd have in fridges would be drinks and stuff.

Frank - I would hope for a situation where I bring a cup bags and sweetener. I donated non-perishable things that don't take up fridge space or spoil. Things like strawberry mix for drinks. 

Dave - That's like Alex was suggesting. Distinction between personal food and communal food like a bulk package.

EHR - I agree with everything brought up in initial item point. Especially upstairs in less trafficked rooms. People leaving food and drinks and refuse is gross.

Dave - I sat on a spoon once!

EHR - I think it would be pre-emptive to ban food from the space. Escalating incentives against it and increasing signage is a first try. "If you're eating food, eat in the downstairs cafe lobby". I think people are trying to eat absnt mindedly while working on things but they could do so in the space designated for food. It is nice to be able to eat and drink with people in the space while working on things. Maybe if announcements and signs don't curb then limiting it to areas like the cafe Alex was mentioning.

Dave - I want to summarize my points quick. It sounds like we have small C consensus to scale back food in some ways. Not ready to change any policy but I would like us to call people out as philanthropist or member responsible for closing a clean space. You can't do it all but make some noise about it or have conversation with whoever leaves things out. If you leave things or someone does a huge mess be there to clean it up as possible.

? - There was a hippy couple taking over half the fridge and left a mouldy mess. I think we should have a time window. Sign says every day food gets tossed.

? - I agree nobody needs to long-term store food here and nightly sweep makes sense.

Dave - for today, I'd like us to put a new sign on fridge saying overnight food should not be stored here.

Mark - I kind of agree people should be called out more but lets not overpolice it. It is an important freedom people should have to bring food for the day they're there. Not storing it overnight is probably a good line. Fridge should say something like don't put anything not consumed more than a day and put day on it or it gets thrown out.

LX - Brewing kombucha and beer is our guild project and should be exception.

Dave - Could it be exception established through consensus for project food storage?

LX - Yeah small C at a meeting or event organizer team.

Ronald - 

Mark - Someone could get label maker affixed to fridge to incentivizing people to label it. Label tape and marker.

LX - we should have a brew fridge.

Dave - we probably don't need more than 2 fridges.

LX - well refreshment fridge could be dedicated for just that and bottled brews ready to serve.