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This is a page for capturing ideas associated with the preparation and painting of [[Moving/2169_Mission|2169 Mission #300]].
This is a page for capturing ideas associated with the preparation and painting of [[Moving/2169_Mission|2169 Mission #300]].
= Service Requirements =
Painting -- Responsible for prepping and painting the vertical surfaces of the space beneath the ceiling and over the floor.
* City waste dumpster and permits
* Budget: '''rough''' estimate of $1800-2200
* Sales tax free account at local big box hardware/contractor store (yay 501(c)(3))
** Paint estimate for only the current exterior walls (not the columns or baseboarding) is roughly 25 - 30 gallons. $20-45/gallon suggests a paint budget of 600-1400 dollars, not including all prep materials.
* Basecoat Only, Something Close to White
 
 
= General Guidelines =
* We want a pragmatic and quickly-feasible approach taken to painting
* Our goal is to make the space usable, not finish every little nook and cranny with perfect coverage


= Pre Move Stuff from 2009-08-07 =
= Prep Work =
[http://www.easy2diy.com/cm/easy/diy_ht_3d_index.asp?page_id=35766619]


*landlord point of contact - andy
==Rules of thumb:==
**remove drying racks or junk?
* '''Clean the surface''' to be painted sufficiently well enough for their to be good adhesion of a new surface covering layer.  This goes for loose dirt or excessive grease (the rear windowsills for example), but generally we do not need to wash the walls.
**industrial sewing machines
* '''Remove obstructions''', or at least minimize their intrusion
***$200 a piece to us
** nails power-hammer driven into cement can't be yanked... but can be snipped off or ground nearly flush with the wall. Of course if they're really high... we probably don't care
**landlord dealing w/ sliding doors to fire escape
* '''Mask what we are not painting'''
***no idea what this is but it kept getting mentioned
** Mask to the first seam of whatever we cannot fully envelope with plastic and tape, such as electrical outlets
* '''Scrape''' excess paint and debris from the walls
* '''Sand''' the surface until there are smooth edges to any scraped bits.
** Focus on adhesion for determining when to stop. The wall facing the stairs and sliding glass door fire escape is a great example of great adhesion that has been painted over multiple times.
* '''Prime''' surfaces that will not receive self-priming paint well.
** Galvanized metals and anything going onto a gloss-finished area are prime (pun intended) examples of what needs to be primed.


*moving day - reuben
== Focused Areas ==
1. '''check with electrical team''' on some of the rusty square conduit and outlets; should they come off or not?


*walls - shannon
* front wall attached to the janky breaker box
**wall plan
* south wall front
***recycle as much material as possible for bath/walls/etc
* south wall rear
***new floor plan
* hole in north wall with closed box over it
**area of rescue assitance
***in shop?
***near side exit ok?
**lighting
***rear area should be raised at leats 2'
***projectionable spaces


*interwebs - matt petersen
*kitchen/bath - miloh/christie
**kitchen
***standalone counter/sink
***electric stove (no gas hookup)
***test existing fridge?
***placement?
****rearward but along which axis?
***drain stub work contemporary w/ bathroom work
***dishwasher? disposal?
***kitchen wants/needs - stove + 2 circuits
**bathrooms
***scott - 510-904-7448
***expand front into ada
****bigger (5' turning radius minimum)
****rotate existing toilet
****wall mount sink (maybe not longer one)
****walls to ceiling
****door placement?
***tie into existing drain venting
**existing hot water downstairs


*hvac - ben
2. these are the prep needs (pix coming in a bit), so ppl can just go do a small amount of work when they have a chance.  Please note that cleanup is part of any task - this is meaningful for scraping loose paint.
**central line? (back/front orientation)
**active venting/cooling/heating?


*access/interior control - dr jesus
===Re-Iteration of General guidelines===
**currently, lots of keys
* Of particular importance are the rat-sized holes (there were 3 IIRC).
**inner glass door
* pull nails/screws/staples
***locks from inside/outside
* scrape peeling paint (and clean up)
**upstairs 'entrance'
* remove conduit as OK'd by electrical team
***elevator/stairwell separable?
* sand down rust on conduit that will remain
***full wall?
***remove current gates for now (one less key)


*elec - rachel/jim
===Focal Points of Prep Work===
**front electrical enable/joint account
<insert map here with locations of prep work needing particular focus highlighted>
**one electrical panel poorly wired
***eg, 50A breaker to 8 rated wires
***'self' upgrade to code-ish is easy/cheap
**ceiling rails
***has ground lines but wired well?
***boxes are 'custom' so need to be checked as well


*floors - ?
Walking from the Stairwell Entrance to the right, which would be counter-clockwise along the perimeter of the space:
**rear patching
* Mask Alarm / Intercom[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857305579/]
**refinish
* <strike>Pull Nails on wall[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857305815/]</strike>
* Scrape peeling paint and clean up the debris from the skylight /ceiling/corner between the doors[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858096350/]
* Mask electrical breakers and anything large and valuable on that corner[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857306453/]
* Dry Wall patch by the wood elevator door[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857306639/]
* <strike>Dry Wall patch in the bike cove space[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857306853][http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858097310/]</strike>
* <strike>Pull staples from the wall in bike cove[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857307267/]</strike>
* <strike>Remove curtain rod and closet rod in the hangout nook, near the fire escape[http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858097816]</strike>
* <strike>Remove the 2x4 screwed to the wall in the hangout cove [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857307833]</strike>
* Mask stairs by sliding glass door
* conduit under the Mission-side windows:''' evaluate with electrical team what is staying'''
* Deal with plate covers for the ~6 ancient single outlet plugs in the space [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857308125/]
* Remove conduit laid over windows [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857308345/]
* Pull / Cut phone wire under Mission-side windows [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857308829/]
* Mask Huge pipes in the corner of the space near the windows [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857309043/]
** Easier to keep them unfinished than to try and paint all of them...
* Patch the drywall in the far corner near the huge pipes [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858099444/]
** again focus on pragmatism. This isn't about making it beautiful, but functional.
* Minimize work in the electrical storage closet.
** Enough nice stuff is there that we can hand-roll that room at a point in the future with less hassle than prepping it for spraying now.
* Patch the hole @ knee height near the ADA bathroom [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857309713/]
* Patch the hole near the ground, too [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858100072/]
* Pull / Cut the phone wire by the double doors that extends freely suspended towards the Mission street side of the space
* '''check with electrical ''' Pull plastic conduit for wall, near the ADA bathroom again [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857310137/]
* Patch the small holes in the wall near chest height around the ADA bathroom [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857310369/]
** Bondo works great on these types of holes. It is basically fiberglass suspended in epoxy making it great for spanning smaller segments.
* Remove the random 2x4 near the ADA bathroom [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858100670/]
* Mask Sink [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857310817/]
* '''Check with electrical''' about what is happening with the conduit / future buildout of electrical in the kitchen. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858101090/]
* Scrub and prime the windowsills
* Trash the godawful venetian blinds we have in the kitchen
** They are hideous and will only block early morning light... when no decent hacker is there anyway.
*** And anyone who '''is''' there at that time probably wants the light to be let in anyway.
* Ignore the elevated office with nice crap in it.
** Ignore meaning mask off the window and doorway, cause we aren't painting it for now, see reasons in electrical storage closet above.
* Rip out the minidesk near the shrine and beneath the window of the elevated office [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857311305/]
* Remove shelf with shrine on it
* Dispose of shrine (craigslist freestuff / freecycle?)
* Patch conduit hole
** [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3857311495]??? is this the right photo?
* Pull baseboarding off the wall that was serving as a bulliten board space. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrcamuti/3858101992/]
** remove molding with employee info, near front door


*add utilities to nb titled accounts
* pull off phone cords and jacks (but not alarm cords)
**water
* patch holes w/Bondo (big holes) or spackle (small holes).  may need a bit of sheetrock patch for VERY big holes
**sewage
* remove shelf with shrine, or not...
**garbage service
* windowsills: scrape as needed vaccuum, scrub with brush, and wipe
**interwebs
**mail box?
***weirdly shared downstairs
***po box?
**insurance
***no water damage coverage?
**dumpster rental for demo?
***need 'permit' or something to park out front


= Build Meeting 2009-08-14 =


Lights - Shannon
3. mask floors, windows, etc
* Bringing lights in rear up to level of lights in front, or somewhat higher to put in walls
* Could possible raise them higher, working with Neil Sunday


Painting
* see notes that are physically located on the rear nasty stairwell
* Budget: TBD
* mask to first joint on electrical items
* Going to do with volunteer muralists
* We will not hold off on moving
* Basecoat Only, Something Close to White
* Needs a person to handle paint - co-headed by Steve C and Rachel McC


= Sub-Spaces =
=Painting=
== Spaces at 83c ==
1. prime, using sprayer in most areas but rollers in some:
83c has subspaces consisting of:


* The Main / Meeting Room
* dj booth (to not crap on camera laptop)
* small office (not painting the inside, don't spray over the top)
* we don't care about the ladder to the roof
* we don't care about the black pipes by the ceiling (the vertical parts we can mask or not, whatever)


== Spaces Planned for the Sweatshop ==


=== Concept: Usage Zones ===
2. next day, paint, using sprayer similar to how primer was done


==== Academic / Classroom ====
==Materials & equipment==
consisting of conference / classrooms, areas suitable for learning, planning, and colaboration.  Room ideas are:
* vaccuum
* Dungeons and Dragons room: a rectangular room with a board-room style table in it, walls covered in bookshelves and whiteboards.
* rags (need)
* Math Room: Krutcher suggests that rather than a "conference room" style classroom, maybe we want a "math room" -- essentially a room with a couple of small tables, some chairs or couches, lots of pacing space, and a bunch of whiteboards; the idea is to facilitate active, creative discussion.
* dish scrubbers (for rust)
* Study Rooms:  Small rooms just big enough for four people to crowd into or one person to spread out in.
* scrapers
* The chill space / lounge conceptually could belong to this Zone.
* broom & dustpan
* Library -- bookshelves, chairs/cushions/lighting for individual reading, some tables for quiet study
* masking tape (need)
* Possible to have a graphics/drafting area? Light table and drafting tables w/maylines, ETC.
* dropcloths (need)
* brushes?
* rollers (need; Rachel has several)
* roller pans (need; Rachel has several)
* spackle (need)
* bondo (need)
* primer for walls (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
* primer for windows (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
* paint (eggshell or semigloss, white)
* ladder(s)
* Bill Pollock can get contractor prices at Kelly-Moore


==== Make / Build====
Consisting of shop and lab space.  Ideas include:
* Dirty Shop -- the machine room / fab space for actually sawing, hammering, lathing and milling.
* Clean Shop -- electronics lab filled with benches for soldering &c.
* Craft Space -- suitable for textile work &c
* Darkroom -- For developing pictures; double doors to allow entry when dark; red lighting
* Chem lab -- space suitable for chemistry / bio work
* A/V studio -- soundproof room.
** big enough for a small band and mics
** greenscreen & camera recording
** Ham shack -- Amaetur radio operating room.  Needs good way to get feed lines to the roof.


Common needs:
===Additional Thoughts===
* positive airflow ventilation to outside
People have fantastic ideas about murals, special paints (blackboard paint, magnetic paint), other decorations, etc.  I think we should get the base paint done before deciding about final treatments, as those can be done in entirely separate processes and there will be a fair amount of time before the space is full of Crap again anyway.  Let's get the base job done and then deal with these one by one as time & energy permit.
* pressurized hoses to operate tools, blow / suck debris
* possible water & drainage hookup
* strong power lines
* security / fencing-off for party times
* sound barrier to other zones


== Team Members ==


==== Teams ====
* [[User:mrcamuti|Steve AKA Mooch]]
* Painting -- Responsible for prepping and painting the vertical surfaces of the space beneath the ceiling and over the floor. Contact [[User:mrcamuti|Steve AKA Mooch]] , [[User:rachel|Rachel]]
* [[User:rachel|Rachel]]
* Anyone else willing to add themselves.

Latest revision as of 14:41, 8 September 2009

This is a page for capturing ideas associated with the preparation and painting of 2169 Mission #300. Painting -- Responsible for prepping and painting the vertical surfaces of the space beneath the ceiling and over the floor.

  • Budget: rough estimate of $1800-2200
    • Paint estimate for only the current exterior walls (not the columns or baseboarding) is roughly 25 - 30 gallons. $20-45/gallon suggests a paint budget of 600-1400 dollars, not including all prep materials.
  • Basecoat Only, Something Close to White


General Guidelines[edit]

  • We want a pragmatic and quickly-feasible approach taken to painting
  • Our goal is to make the space usable, not finish every little nook and cranny with perfect coverage

Prep Work[edit]

[1]

Rules of thumb:[edit]

  • Clean the surface to be painted sufficiently well enough for their to be good adhesion of a new surface covering layer. This goes for loose dirt or excessive grease (the rear windowsills for example), but generally we do not need to wash the walls.
  • Remove obstructions, or at least minimize their intrusion
    • nails power-hammer driven into cement can't be yanked... but can be snipped off or ground nearly flush with the wall. Of course if they're really high... we probably don't care
  • Mask what we are not painting
    • Mask to the first seam of whatever we cannot fully envelope with plastic and tape, such as electrical outlets
  • Scrape excess paint and debris from the walls
  • Sand the surface until there are smooth edges to any scraped bits.
    • Focus on adhesion for determining when to stop. The wall facing the stairs and sliding glass door fire escape is a great example of great adhesion that has been painted over multiple times.
  • Prime surfaces that will not receive self-priming paint well.
    • Galvanized metals and anything going onto a gloss-finished area are prime (pun intended) examples of what needs to be primed.

Focused Areas[edit]

1. check with electrical team on some of the rusty square conduit and outlets; should they come off or not?

  • front wall attached to the janky breaker box
  • south wall front
  • south wall rear
  • hole in north wall with closed box over it


2. these are the prep needs (pix coming in a bit), so ppl can just go do a small amount of work when they have a chance. Please note that cleanup is part of any task - this is meaningful for scraping loose paint.

Re-Iteration of General guidelines[edit]

  • Of particular importance are the rat-sized holes (there were 3 IIRC).
  • pull nails/screws/staples
  • scrape peeling paint (and clean up)
  • remove conduit as OK'd by electrical team
  • sand down rust on conduit that will remain

Focal Points of Prep Work[edit]

<insert map here with locations of prep work needing particular focus highlighted>

Walking from the Stairwell Entrance to the right, which would be counter-clockwise along the perimeter of the space:

  • Mask Alarm / Intercom[2]
  • Pull Nails on wall[3]
  • Scrape peeling paint and clean up the debris from the skylight /ceiling/corner between the doors[4]
  • Mask electrical breakers and anything large and valuable on that corner[5]
  • Dry Wall patch by the wood elevator door[6]
  • Dry Wall patch in the bike cove space[7][8]
  • Pull staples from the wall in bike cove[9]
  • Remove curtain rod and closet rod in the hangout nook, near the fire escape[10]
  • Remove the 2x4 screwed to the wall in the hangout cove [11]
  • Mask stairs by sliding glass door
  • conduit under the Mission-side windows: evaluate with electrical team what is staying
  • Deal with plate covers for the ~6 ancient single outlet plugs in the space [12]
  • Remove conduit laid over windows [13]
  • Pull / Cut phone wire under Mission-side windows [14]
  • Mask Huge pipes in the corner of the space near the windows [15]
    • Easier to keep them unfinished than to try and paint all of them...
  • Patch the drywall in the far corner near the huge pipes [16]
    • again focus on pragmatism. This isn't about making it beautiful, but functional.
  • Minimize work in the electrical storage closet.
    • Enough nice stuff is there that we can hand-roll that room at a point in the future with less hassle than prepping it for spraying now.
  • Patch the hole @ knee height near the ADA bathroom [17]
  • Patch the hole near the ground, too [18]
  • Pull / Cut the phone wire by the double doors that extends freely suspended towards the Mission street side of the space
  • check with electrical Pull plastic conduit for wall, near the ADA bathroom again [19]
  • Patch the small holes in the wall near chest height around the ADA bathroom [20]
    • Bondo works great on these types of holes. It is basically fiberglass suspended in epoxy making it great for spanning smaller segments.
  • Remove the random 2x4 near the ADA bathroom [21]
  • Mask Sink [22]
  • Check with electrical about what is happening with the conduit / future buildout of electrical in the kitchen. [23]
  • Scrub and prime the windowsills
  • Trash the godawful venetian blinds we have in the kitchen
    • They are hideous and will only block early morning light... when no decent hacker is there anyway.
      • And anyone who is there at that time probably wants the light to be let in anyway.
  • Ignore the elevated office with nice crap in it.
    • Ignore meaning mask off the window and doorway, cause we aren't painting it for now, see reasons in electrical storage closet above.
  • Rip out the minidesk near the shrine and beneath the window of the elevated office [24]
  • Remove shelf with shrine on it
  • Dispose of shrine (craigslist freestuff / freecycle?)
  • Patch conduit hole
    • [25]??? is this the right photo?
  • Pull baseboarding off the wall that was serving as a bulliten board space. [26]
    • remove molding with employee info, near front door
  • pull off phone cords and jacks (but not alarm cords)
  • patch holes w/Bondo (big holes) or spackle (small holes). may need a bit of sheetrock patch for VERY big holes
  • remove shelf with shrine, or not...
  • windowsills: scrape as needed vaccuum, scrub with brush, and wipe


3. mask floors, windows, etc

  • see notes that are physically located on the rear nasty stairwell
  • mask to first joint on electrical items

Painting[edit]

1. prime, using sprayer in most areas but rollers in some:

  • dj booth (to not crap on camera laptop)
  • small office (not painting the inside, don't spray over the top)
  • we don't care about the ladder to the roof
  • we don't care about the black pipes by the ceiling (the vertical parts we can mask or not, whatever)


2. next day, paint, using sprayer similar to how primer was done

Materials & equipment[edit]

  • vaccuum
  • rags (need)
  • dish scrubbers (for rust)
  • scrapers
  • broom & dustpan
  • masking tape (need)
  • dropcloths (need)
  • brushes?
  • rollers (need; Rachel has several)
  • roller pans (need; Rachel has several)
  • spackle (need)
  • bondo (need)
  • primer for walls (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
  • primer for windows (use what was recommended by Gina's friend?)
  • paint (eggshell or semigloss, white)
  • ladder(s)
  • Bill Pollock can get contractor prices at Kelly-Moore


Additional Thoughts[edit]

People have fantastic ideas about murals, special paints (blackboard paint, magnetic paint), other decorations, etc. I think we should get the base paint done before deciding about final treatments, as those can be done in entirely separate processes and there will be a fair amount of time before the space is full of Crap again anyway. Let's get the base job done and then deal with these one by one as time & energy permit.

Team Members[edit]