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| style="padding: 0.4em 0.2em 0 0;" valign="top" | '''More Important note:''' We have established a new location at 2169 Mission, so this page is no longer relevant. It is kept here as a matter of historic record, and as a possible resource to others in a similar position.
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| style="padding: 0.4em 0.2em 0 0;" valign="top" | '''Important note:''' In September of 2008 the [[83C_Wiese|83C Wiese]] location was chosen for Noisebridge.  Due to recent growth (and our lease running up in a few weeks), we're now in search of larger spaces to support the membership.
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This page collects trip reports to view possible Noisebridge spaces.
 
This page collects trip reports to view possible Noisebridge spaces.
  
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* [[ThingsWeHaveToGiveAway]]
 
* [[ThingsWeHaveToGiveAway]]
  
Places to look include craigslist and Bill pointed out starboardnet.com hcmcommercial.com, loopnet.com, and sfarmls.com. Also look in windows of buildings as you pass by and take down "for rent" numbers. When you see a place that looks interesting, add it to the list of "places to set up viewings" below. If you have a minute and can schedule some time out of your day, pick up a place from the list and call the landlord to set up a viewing.  
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Places to look include craigslist and Bill pointed out starboardnet.com hcmcommercial.com, loopnet.com, and sfarmls.com. Also look in windows of buildings as you pass by and take down "for rent" numbers. When you see a place that looks interesting, add it to the list of "places to set up viewings" below. If you have a minute and can schedule some time out of your day, pick up a place from the list and call the landlord to set up a viewing.
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Please take pictures of important assets such as: floor to ceiling distance, power circuit panel, MPOE or where phone/cable service enters, view from roof (from all possible angles), etc.  
  
 
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Here's a list in no particular order of the things we are looking for from a space. This describes an ideal space, not every space will be like this.
 
Here's a list in no particular order of the things we are looking for from a space. This describes an ideal space, not every space will be like this.
  
* $2000-$3000/month
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* $2000-$5000/month
* 1200+ square feet
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* 3000+ square feet
 
* 24-hour access (ideally our own secured entrance)
 
* 24-hour access (ideally our own secured entrance)
 
* No neighbor complaints for access, music work, or other noise
 
* No neighbor complaints for access, music work, or other noise
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* Power: 10 (in a PG&E Substation!)
 
* Power: 10 (in a PG&E Substation!)
 
* Connectivity: 8
 
* Connectivity: 8
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* Roof rights/line of sight to tall buildings: 7
  
 
== Completed Viewings ==
 
== Completed Viewings ==
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* [[880 Harrison|185 Clara]] @ 5th - 1732 sq. ft for $2250, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/773505313.html (http://www.project880.com/185clara.html)
 
* [[880 Harrison|185 Clara]] @ 5th - 1732 sq. ft for $2250, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/773505313.html (http://www.project880.com/185clara.html)
  
== Upcoming Viewings ==
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25 September 2008:
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* [[83C Wiese]] @ 16th/Mission - 1000 sq. ft for ~$2000, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/853914124.html
  
== Places to Set Up Viewings ==
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05.02.09
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* [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2009-May/004518.html 2101 Mission] -- 5200 sq feet, $3500/mo. "low" ceilings (8 feet)
  
This is a list of places where we may want to set up a viewing. Please add and update status as needed.
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06.05.09
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* [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1867+mission,sf 1867 Mission], Friday 2009-06-05 13:00 -- [[User:adi|adi]] spoke to Gary Barboro regarding the building.  3 floors, 11ksf / floor, owners "would like to develop housing" but it sounds like they're flexible. "Owners were thinking $2/sf including build-out, don't know if they would be willing to go down to $1" but he didn't hang up on me. They'd like to rent whole floors but probably can subdivide.
  
* 984 Folsom @ 6th - 1000sq -- http://monkeybrains.net/ -- MonkeyBrains.net World HeadQuarters
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06.10.09
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* [[475 Valencia]] (at 16th). [http://www.salon.com/ent/log/1999/07/01/epicenter/ Has lots of history]. A listing [http://www.homes.com/listing/86230092/475_Valencia_SAN_FRANCISCO_CA_94103 here] says 5000 sq. feet and $6250.00 for the top (third) floor, $6750.00 for the second. That was in April, and they're both still empty, so that asking price may be way high.
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**We will be viewing this space on Wednesday June 10 at 11am. Please meet at Noisebridge at 10:50am if you want to come with!
  
* 566 Folsom @ 2nd - 1850 sq. ft for $2800, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/769627420.html (added 20080728)
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06.10.09
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* [[2017 Mission]]  This place is awesome, take a look at it http://www.flickr.com/photos/milohholim/sets/72157619567460316/
  
* 965 Mission @ 5th - 1479 sq. ft for $2465, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/771103939.html (added 20080727)
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06.17.09
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* [[275 8th St.]]
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Photos at http://web.hexapodia.org/~adi/pix/20090618-275-8th-st/
  
* 7th and Mission - 1000 sq. ft for ~$1500 2nd floor, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/735135308.html
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06.17.09
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* [[Oddfellows building, 7th and Market St.]]
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Photos at http://web.hexapodia.org/~adi/pix/20090619-oddfellows/
  
* 7th and Bryant - 950 sq. ft for ~$1500, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/739209578.html
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06.23.09
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* [[2394 Folsom Street]]
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* [[301 8th Street]] Suite 333
  
* 7th and Folsom - 1000 sq. ft for ~$1900, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/738348767.html
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07.21.09
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* [[Moving/410_Clementina | 410 Clementina]]
  
* 10th and Harrison - http://www.foundersrealty.com/cgi-local/viewer.cgi?action=display_rentals_detail&id=565
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== Places to Set Up Viewings ==
  
* 2141 Mission @ 17th - 1000 sq. ft for ~1900, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/783959704.html
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This is a list of places where we may want to set up a viewing. Please add and update status as needed.
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* Sutter St at near Union Sq.
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Up to 10,000 RSF at extremely low price!
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Asking $1.00 per foot per month
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Two separate Full Floor suites of 5,000 RSF each
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Sublease up to February 2015 (shorter term considered)
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Stable Sublandlord
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Mixture of private offices and open space
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HVAC
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[[USER:Eri]] sent an email to arrange a viewing time for next week.  Will post viewing time for anyone to come along.
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* 942 Mission - approx 40,000 sqft. Four levels, industrial elevator + standard elevator.  Basement was a shop & well ventilated (or could be again if the air filters were removed), first floor dungeon/bar/party/etc area, second floor offices/desks/etc, roof access with hot tub & bar.  Has cat6 prewired; fiber termination point from IPNetworks.  Some gated parking spaces.  A block from Powell Street BART.  Former Kink.com HQ's known as the Porn Palace; where the first Arse Electronika was hosted.  Has multiple bathrooms, shower, laundry hookups, kitchen, etc. etc. etc.; two private entries hooked into prox card system (security system still in place); plus gates & drop door fences if needed.  Neighbourhood sketch, but being gentrified slowly it seems - blue bottle coffee moved in next store bringing quality caffeine supply and the yuppies who buy it.  Across the street from the Mezzaine.  Many parties events held here for years without noise complaints.  Power was sufficient for hundreds of computers, film lighting rigs, professional audio, shop equipment, welders, etc. etc. etc. Amazing space - was sold to property company over a year and a half ago, no one is renting it even now - should find out property management company and inquire about rental prices.  They're losing money on their investment as it stands.
  
The next few have pix Rachel took on the way to & from work, mostly on Folsom & Howard between 6th and 10th.
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* 1385 Mission 3,350 sqft of clean, very bright space on the corner of Mission and 10^th – one and a half blocks from BART.  We are asking $12/sqft/year - $3,350/month  Details:
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[[Image:1385MissionFlyer.jpg|400px|center]]
  
* 1234 Folsom - Ritchie: 982-7100, http://crazedweasels.com/1234_Folsom.jpg (on the right) - Rachel left message for Rourke O'Neill on 7-24
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* 10th and Harrison - http://www.foundersrealty.com/cgi-local/viewer.cgi?action=display_rentals_detail&id=565
* 1122 Howard - Ritchie: 982-7100, http://crazedweasels.com/1122_Howard.jpg - Rachel left message for Rourke O'Neill on 7-24
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* 1240? Folsom - TRI: 268-2218/2259, http://crazedweasels.com/1234_Folsom.jpg (on the left)
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* Folsom between 7th & 8th - Pacific Union: 834-3555, http://crazedweasels.com/Chrome_bldg.jpg - LEASED 'just now'
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* [http://www.hcmcommercial.com/property_details.php?property_id=260 174 Shotwell (at 16th)]. Asking $6500/mo for 4800sf, so a bit out of our price-range, but I suspect that's a starting point for negotiation.
  
* 3265 17th St @ Mission - 650-697-9639, http://crazedweasels.com/17th_and_Mission.jpg
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* [http://activspace.com/mission-2.html 3150 18th Street at Treat (Activspace)] They seem to focus on smaller spaces, but will apparently knock down walls to make a larger space.
  
* 2017 Mission @ 16th - 885-6970, http://crazedweasels.com/2017_Mission.jpg
 
  
* 333 Valencia @ 14th - 2300 sq ft for ~$4500 (negotiable), http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/746081331.html; Contact: Mark Gedymin 415-268-2273
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* Erie off of Mission:  Light Industrial shop for lease, 831-1600
  
* Natoma between 8th and 9th - 1730 sq ft warehouse space for $2800, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/767030949.html (still listed as of 20080727, URL updated)
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[[Category:History of Noisebridge]]

Latest revision as of 22:58, 8 February 2011

More Important note: We have established a new location at 2169 Mission, so this page is no longer relevant. It is kept here as a matter of historic record, and as a possible resource to others in a similar position.
Important note: In September of 2008 the 83C Wiese location was chosen for Noisebridge. Due to recent growth (and our lease running up in a few weeks), we're now in search of larger spaces to support the membership.

This page collects trip reports to view possible Noisebridge spaces.

A Noisebridge member gets a better view of a potential space.

Places to look include craigslist and Bill pointed out starboardnet.com hcmcommercial.com, loopnet.com, and sfarmls.com. Also look in windows of buildings as you pass by and take down "for rent" numbers. When you see a place that looks interesting, add it to the list of "places to set up viewings" below. If you have a minute and can schedule some time out of your day, pick up a place from the list and call the landlord to set up a viewing.

Please take pictures of important assets such as: floor to ceiling distance, power circuit panel, MPOE or where phone/cable service enters, view from roof (from all possible angles), etc.


Contents

[edit] Space Specs

Here's a list in no particular order of the things we are looking for from a space. This describes an ideal space, not every space will be like this.

  • $2000-$5000/month
  • 3000+ square feet
  • 24-hour access (ideally our own secured entrance)
  • No neighbor complaints for access, music work, or other noise
  • Safe neighborhood (see murder map, for example)
  • Shower/bathroom
  • San Francisco
  • Near public transportation
  • reasonable power and ventilation

[edit] Rating Spaces

When writing up a report of a space you've viewed, please include a section with a quantification of the above desirable features, either as a "yes or no" or on a scale of 1 to 10, like so:

  • Size: 8 (2000 square feet)
  • Private Entance: No
  • 24/7 Access: Yes
  • Privacy / Sound Isolation: 6 (single neighboring space, used days, shares *thin* interior walls)
  • Safety of Neighborhood: 8
  • Shower: No
  • Bathroom: Yes
  • Kitchen: No
  • In San Francisco: Yes
  • Transit Availability: 6 (short bus ride from BART)
  • Power: 10 (in a PG&E Substation!)
  • Connectivity: 8
  • Roof rights/line of sight to tall buildings: 7

[edit] Completed Viewings

December 2007:


17 January 2008:

We (Jake Appelbaum, Andy Isaacson, and David Molnar) went out to go look at an office space advertised on craigslist on Thursday that might be available for a permanent move-in soon. We actually ended up seeing two places. Here are some notes on the places plus pictures. These give some idea of what possible options are in addition to 40 Ringold. (Thanks again to Bill for letting us use 40 Ringold for meetings, etc. during this time!)


23 July 2008:


29 July 2008:

25 September 2008:

05.02.09

  • 2101 Mission -- 5200 sq feet, $3500/mo. "low" ceilings (8 feet)

06.05.09

  • 1867 Mission, Friday 2009-06-05 13:00 -- adi spoke to Gary Barboro regarding the building. 3 floors, 11ksf / floor, owners "would like to develop housing" but it sounds like they're flexible. "Owners were thinking $2/sf including build-out, don't know if they would be willing to go down to $1" but he didn't hang up on me. They'd like to rent whole floors but probably can subdivide.

06.10.09

  • 475 Valencia (at 16th). Has lots of history. A listing here says 5000 sq. feet and $6250.00 for the top (third) floor, $6750.00 for the second. That was in April, and they're both still empty, so that asking price may be way high.
    • We will be viewing this space on Wednesday June 10 at 11am. Please meet at Noisebridge at 10:50am if you want to come with!

06.10.09

06.17.09

Photos at http://web.hexapodia.org/~adi/pix/20090618-275-8th-st/

06.17.09

Photos at http://web.hexapodia.org/~adi/pix/20090619-oddfellows/

06.23.09

07.21.09

[edit] Places to Set Up Viewings

This is a list of places where we may want to set up a viewing. Please add and update status as needed.

  • Sutter St at near Union Sq.

Up to 10,000 RSF at extremely low price! Asking $1.00 per foot per month Two separate Full Floor suites of 5,000 RSF each Sublease up to February 2015 (shorter term considered) Stable Sublandlord Mixture of private offices and open space HVAC USER:Eri sent an email to arrange a viewing time for next week. Will post viewing time for anyone to come along.

  • 942 Mission - approx 40,000 sqft. Four levels, industrial elevator + standard elevator. Basement was a shop & well ventilated (or could be again if the air filters were removed), first floor dungeon/bar/party/etc area, second floor offices/desks/etc, roof access with hot tub & bar. Has cat6 prewired; fiber termination point from IPNetworks. Some gated parking spaces. A block from Powell Street BART. Former Kink.com HQ's known as the Porn Palace; where the first Arse Electronika was hosted. Has multiple bathrooms, shower, laundry hookups, kitchen, etc. etc. etc.; two private entries hooked into prox card system (security system still in place); plus gates & drop door fences if needed. Neighbourhood sketch, but being gentrified slowly it seems - blue bottle coffee moved in next store bringing quality caffeine supply and the yuppies who buy it. Across the street from the Mezzaine. Many parties events held here for years without noise complaints. Power was sufficient for hundreds of computers, film lighting rigs, professional audio, shop equipment, welders, etc. etc. etc. Amazing space - was sold to property company over a year and a half ago, no one is renting it even now - should find out property management company and inquire about rental prices. They're losing money on their investment as it stands.
  • 1385 Mission 3,350 sqft of clean, very bright space on the corner of Mission and 10^th – one and a half blocks from BART. We are asking $12/sqft/year - $3,350/month Details:
1385MissionFlyer.jpg
  • 174 Shotwell (at 16th). Asking $6500/mo for 4800sf, so a bit out of our price-range, but I suspect that's a starting point for negotiation.


  • Erie off of Mission: Light Industrial shop for lease, 831-1600
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