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This page collects trip reports to view possible Noisebridge spaces.
This page collects trip reports to view possible Noisebridge spaces.
[[Image:Andytriumph.jpg|thumb|right|180px|A Noisebridge member gets a better view of a potential space.]]
* [[SettingUpViewings]]: Pointers on how to set up your own space viewing, with frequently asked landlord questions.
* [[QuestionsForTheSpace]]: This is a list of questions we may want to ask about any space we want to inhabit.
* [[InsuranceQuestions]]
* [[ThingsToMakeTheSpaceUsable]]
* [[ThingsWeWant]]
* [[ThingsWeHaveToGiveAway]]
Places to look include craigslist and Bill pointed out starboardnet.com hcmcommercial.com, loopnet.com, and sfarmls.com. Also look in windows of buildings as you pass by and take down "for rent" numbers. When you see a place that looks interesting, add it to the list of "places to set up viewings" below. If you have a minute and can schedule some time out of your day, pick up a place from the list and call the landlord to set up a viewing.
Please take pictures of important assets such as: floor to ceiling distance, power circuit panel, MPOE or where phone/cable service enters, view from roof (from all possible angles), etc.


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== Space Specs ==
Here's a list in no particular order of the things we are looking for from a space. This describes an ideal space, not every space will be like this.
* $2000-$5000/month
* 3000+ square feet
* 24-hour access (ideally our own secured entrance)
* No neighbor complaints for access, music work, or other noise
* Safe neighborhood (see murder map, for example)
* Shower/bathroom
* San Francisco
* Near public transportation
* reasonable power and ventilation
== Rating Spaces ==
When writing up a report of a space you've viewed, please include a section with a quantification of the above desirable features, either as a "yes or no" or on a scale of 1 to 10, like so:
* Size: 8 (2000 square feet)
* Private Entance: No
* 24/7 Access: Yes
* Privacy / Sound Isolation: 6 (single neighboring space, used days, shares *thin* interior walls)
* Safety of Neighborhood: 8
* Shower: No
* Bathroom: Yes
* Kitchen: No
* In San Francisco: Yes
* Transit Availability: 6 (short bus ride from BART)
* Power: 10 (in a PG&E Substation!)
* Connectivity: 8
* Roof rights/line of sight to tall buildings: 7
== Completed Viewings ==
December 2007:
* [[40 Ringold]]


17 January 2008:
17 January 2008:


We (Jake Appelbaum, Andy Issacson, and David Molnar) went out to go look at
We (Jake Appelbaum, Andy Isaacson, and David Molnar) went out to go look at
an office space advertised on craigslist on Thursday that might be available
an office space advertised on craigslist on Thursday that might be available
for a permanent move-in soon. We actually ended up seeing two places. Here
for a permanent move-in soon. We actually ended up seeing two places. Here
are some notes on the places plus pictures. These give some idea of what
are some notes on the places plus pictures. These give some idea of what
possible options are in addition to 40 Ringold. (Thanks again to Bill for
possible options are in addition to 40 Ringold. (Thanks again to Bill for
letting us use 40 Ringold for meetings, etc. during this time!)
letting us use [[40 Ringold]] for meetings, etc. during this time!)


Place #1:  215 Dore Lane
*[[215 Dore Lane]]
*[[1351 Harrison]]




Pictures: URL to follow
23 July 2008:


Rent asked: $2350 / month
* Dimension 7 - [[150 Folsom]]


Movein: first month + two month security = $7050


Min lease duration: 1 year
29 July 2008:


Ready to move in: 1 February 2008
* [[880 Harrison]] @ 5th - 1803 sq. ft for ~$2500, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/773536200.html (http://www.project880.com/suite_301.html); Contact: Craig Lipton 415-923-0916
* [[880 Harrison|185 Clara]] @ 5th - 1732 sq. ft for $2250, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/773505313.html (http://www.project880.com/185clara.html)


Contact: "Michael"
25 September 2008:
* [[83C Wiese]] @ 16th/Mission - 1000 sq. ft for ~$2000, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/off/853914124.html


This is a garage plus two story space on the back half of a SOMA 40x80
05.02.09
mixed-use lot. The space for rent is a building set back from the street,
* [https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2009-May/004518.html 2101 Mission] -- 5200 sq feet, $3500/mo. "low" ceilings (8 feet)
behind a building with a ground floor commercial office and a 2nd floor
residental apartment. Access to the space passes directly under the
residential apartment's back window. The owner, Michael, owns both buildings
on the lot and built the place from scratch three years ago. Michael does
not live on the lot.


The interior space is organized as two large rooms, roughly a total of 1000
06.05.09
to 1100 sq. ft. usable. Bathroom and shower included.
* [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1867+mission,sf 1867 Mission], Friday 2009-06-05 13:00 -- [[User:adi|adi]] spoke to Gary Barboro regarding the building. 3 floors, 11ksf / floor, owners "would like to develop housing" but it sounds like they're flexible. "Owners were thinking $2/sf including build-out, don't know if they would be willing to go down to $1" but he didn't hang up on me. They'd like to rent whole floors but probably can subdivide.


Andy notes:
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* [[475 Valencia]] (at 16th). [http://www.salon.com/ent/log/1999/07/01/epicenter/ Has lots of history]. A listing [http://www.homes.com/listing/86230092/475_Valencia_SAN_FRANCISCO_CA_94103 here] says 5000 sq. feet and $6250.00 for the top (third) floor, $6750.00 for the second. That was in April, and they're both still empty, so that asking price may be way high.
**We will be viewing this space on Wednesday June 10 at 11am. Please meet at Noisebridge at 10:50am if you want to come with!


"It's somewhat difficult to imagine how to divide this space into the rooms
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we want. The upstairs is hard to subdivide, because of the raked ceiling;
* [[2017 Mission]] This place is awesome, take a look at it http://www.flickr.com/photos/milohholim/sets/72157619567460316/
if there are people playing video games up there, I'm not going
to be able to get work done upstairs. I'm more excited by the idea of
several smaller rooms rather than two giant rooms.


The dealbreaker, I fear, is that late-night access is very likely to
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disturb the residential tenants in the front building."
* [[275 8th St.]]
Photos at http://web.hexapodia.org/~adi/pix/20090618-275-8th-st/


Other notes -
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- water included, all other utilities extra
* [[Oddfellows building, 7th and Market St.]]
- front: intercom, garage door w/opener
Photos at http://web.hexapodia.org/~adi/pix/20090619-oddfellows/
- no alarm system, we could add one
- two car tandem drive-through garage
- rear patio, all concrete.
- two sets of double-doors; locking security is somewhat of a concern
- concrete floor in downstairs
- bathroom (with shower, IIRC.)
- upstairs: carpeted; all one big open space, gabled ceiling down to
  ~9ft at the side walls.  windows only in front (facing southwest).
- building footprint quoted at 20'x30'. Upstairs less usable space due
  to stairwell.
- built "three years ago" according to owner.  Looks like wired with
  cat5 (but with rj11 throughout).
- Power is great -- I counted 12 20A circuit breakers, plus two 30A breakers labelled "220V". 
  (I'm not even sure how you could wire all of that into two rooms, but whatever.)
- Building has own boiler and heating; AC consists of two fans but we could
possibly add a wall unit later
- No furnishings, previous tenant may sell desks if desired
- Owner is ok with roof antennas if they do not dig into roof


06.23.09
* [[2394 Folsom Street]]
* [[301 8th Street]] Suite 333


Place #2 1351 Harrison
07.21.09
* [[Moving/410_Clementina | 410 Clementina]]


While walking on the street, we stopped to peer in the window of a space
== Places to Set Up Viewings ==
with a "FOR RENT" sign. A nice woman who works for the currently leaving
tenant popped out and invited us in. We had a chance to look around and ask
questions but did not talk to the landlord. Andy later called and talked
to the landlord to obtain price information.


Pictures: none
This is a list of places where we may want to set up a viewing. Please add and update status as needed.
* Sutter St at near Union Sq.
Up to 10,000 RSF at extremely low price!
Asking $1.00 per foot per month
Two separate Full Floor suites of 5,000 RSF each
Sublease up to February 2015 (shorter term considered)
Stable Sublandlord
Mixture of private offices and open space
HVAC
[[USER:Eri]] sent an email to arrange a viewing time for next week.  Will post viewing time for anyone to come along.
* 942 Mission - approx 40,000 sqft.  Four levels, industrial elevator + standard elevator.  Basement was a shop & well ventilated (or could be again if the air filters were removed), first floor dungeon/bar/party/etc area, second floor offices/desks/etc, roof access with hot tub & bar.  Has cat6 prewired; fiber termination point from IPNetworks.  Some gated parking spaces.  A block from Powell Street BART.  Former Kink.com HQ's known as the Porn Palace; where the first Arse Electronika was hosted.  Has multiple bathrooms, shower, laundry hookups, kitchen, etc. etc. etc.; two private entries hooked into prox card system (security system still in place); plus gates & drop door fences if needed.  Neighbourhood sketch, but being gentrified slowly it seems - blue bottle coffee moved in next store bringing quality caffeine supply and the yuppies who buy it.  Across the street from the Mezzaine.  Many parties events held here for years without noise complaints.  Power was sufficient for hundreds of computers, film lighting rigs, professional audio, shop equipment, welders, etc. etc. etc. Amazing space - was sold to property company over a year and a half ago, no one is renting it even now - should find out property management company and inquire about rental prices.  They're losing money on their investment as it stands.


Rent asked: $2500/month
* 1385 Mission 3,350 sqft of clean, very bright space on the corner of Mission and 10^th – one and a half blocks from BART.  We are asking $12/sqft/year - $3,350/month Details:
[[Image:1385MissionFlyer.jpg|400px|center]]


Movein: unknown
* 10th and Harrison - http://www.foundersrealty.com/cgi-local/viewer.cgi?action=display_rentals_detail&id=565


Min lease duration: unknown
* [http://www.hcmcommercial.com/property_details.php?property_id=260 174 Shotwell (at 16th)]. Asking $6500/mo for 4800sf, so a bit out of our price-range, but I suspect that's a starting point for negotiation.


Ready to move in: around April 2008
* [http://activspace.com/mission-2.html 3150 18th Street at Treat (Activspace)] They seem to focus on smaller spaces, but will apparently knock down walls to make a larger space.


Contact: "Eric", 415 292 7070 x101


This is a large street-facing single room plus a 6x10 closet on the ground floor of a SOMA
* Erie off of Mission:  Light Industrial shop for lease, 831-1600
building. Total quoted 1060 sq. ft. The top floor consists of two
residential apartments, which are both being rennovated and will be sublet
to yuppies. The landlord claims soundproofing between apartments and space, apartments will be 3BR 2BA
to rent for ~$3K/month.


Electrical system significantly less good than the 215 Dore space and building appears older
[[Category:Potential Locations]]
as well. Recently fixed water leak in one corner of ceiling, some minor
[[Category:History of Noisebridge]]
water damage to paint. No heat; current tenants use space heaters. Bathroom
with shower included.

Revision as of 22:58, 8 February 2011

More Important note: We have established a new location at 2169 Mission, so this page is no longer relevant. It is kept here as a matter of historic record, and as a possible resource to others in a similar position.
Important note: In September of 2008 the 83C Wiese location was chosen for Noisebridge. Due to recent growth (and our lease running up in a few weeks), we're now in search of larger spaces to support the membership.

This page collects trip reports to view possible Noisebridge spaces.

A Noisebridge member gets a better view of a potential space.

Places to look include craigslist and Bill pointed out starboardnet.com hcmcommercial.com, loopnet.com, and sfarmls.com. Also look in windows of buildings as you pass by and take down "for rent" numbers. When you see a place that looks interesting, add it to the list of "places to set up viewings" below. If you have a minute and can schedule some time out of your day, pick up a place from the list and call the landlord to set up a viewing.

Please take pictures of important assets such as: floor to ceiling distance, power circuit panel, MPOE or where phone/cable service enters, view from roof (from all possible angles), etc.

Space Specs

Here's a list in no particular order of the things we are looking for from a space. This describes an ideal space, not every space will be like this.

  • $2000-$5000/month
  • 3000+ square feet
  • 24-hour access (ideally our own secured entrance)
  • No neighbor complaints for access, music work, or other noise
  • Safe neighborhood (see murder map, for example)
  • Shower/bathroom
  • San Francisco
  • Near public transportation
  • reasonable power and ventilation

Rating Spaces

When writing up a report of a space you've viewed, please include a section with a quantification of the above desirable features, either as a "yes or no" or on a scale of 1 to 10, like so:

  • Size: 8 (2000 square feet)
  • Private Entance: No
  • 24/7 Access: Yes
  • Privacy / Sound Isolation: 6 (single neighboring space, used days, shares *thin* interior walls)
  • Safety of Neighborhood: 8
  • Shower: No
  • Bathroom: Yes
  • Kitchen: No
  • In San Francisco: Yes
  • Transit Availability: 6 (short bus ride from BART)
  • Power: 10 (in a PG&E Substation!)
  • Connectivity: 8
  • Roof rights/line of sight to tall buildings: 7

Completed Viewings

December 2007:


17 January 2008:

We (Jake Appelbaum, Andy Isaacson, and David Molnar) went out to go look at an office space advertised on craigslist on Thursday that might be available for a permanent move-in soon. We actually ended up seeing two places. Here are some notes on the places plus pictures. These give some idea of what possible options are in addition to 40 Ringold. (Thanks again to Bill for letting us use 40 Ringold for meetings, etc. during this time!)


23 July 2008:


29 July 2008:

25 September 2008:

05.02.09

  • 2101 Mission -- 5200 sq feet, $3500/mo. "low" ceilings (8 feet)

06.05.09

  • 1867 Mission, Friday 2009-06-05 13:00 -- adi spoke to Gary Barboro regarding the building. 3 floors, 11ksf / floor, owners "would like to develop housing" but it sounds like they're flexible. "Owners were thinking $2/sf including build-out, don't know if they would be willing to go down to $1" but he didn't hang up on me. They'd like to rent whole floors but probably can subdivide.

06.10.09

  • 475 Valencia (at 16th). Has lots of history. A listing here says 5000 sq. feet and $6250.00 for the top (third) floor, $6750.00 for the second. That was in April, and they're both still empty, so that asking price may be way high.
    • We will be viewing this space on Wednesday June 10 at 11am. Please meet at Noisebridge at 10:50am if you want to come with!

06.10.09

06.17.09

Photos at http://web.hexapodia.org/~adi/pix/20090618-275-8th-st/

06.17.09

Photos at http://web.hexapodia.org/~adi/pix/20090619-oddfellows/

06.23.09

07.21.09

Places to Set Up Viewings

This is a list of places where we may want to set up a viewing. Please add and update status as needed.

  • Sutter St at near Union Sq.

Up to 10,000 RSF at extremely low price! Asking $1.00 per foot per month Two separate Full Floor suites of 5,000 RSF each Sublease up to February 2015 (shorter term considered) Stable Sublandlord Mixture of private offices and open space HVAC USER:Eri sent an email to arrange a viewing time for next week. Will post viewing time for anyone to come along.

  • 942 Mission - approx 40,000 sqft. Four levels, industrial elevator + standard elevator. Basement was a shop & well ventilated (or could be again if the air filters were removed), first floor dungeon/bar/party/etc area, second floor offices/desks/etc, roof access with hot tub & bar. Has cat6 prewired; fiber termination point from IPNetworks. Some gated parking spaces. A block from Powell Street BART. Former Kink.com HQ's known as the Porn Palace; where the first Arse Electronika was hosted. Has multiple bathrooms, shower, laundry hookups, kitchen, etc. etc. etc.; two private entries hooked into prox card system (security system still in place); plus gates & drop door fences if needed. Neighbourhood sketch, but being gentrified slowly it seems - blue bottle coffee moved in next store bringing quality caffeine supply and the yuppies who buy it. Across the street from the Mezzaine. Many parties events held here for years without noise complaints. Power was sufficient for hundreds of computers, film lighting rigs, professional audio, shop equipment, welders, etc. etc. etc. Amazing space - was sold to property company over a year and a half ago, no one is renting it even now - should find out property management company and inquire about rental prices. They're losing money on their investment as it stands.
  • 1385 Mission 3,350 sqft of clean, very bright space on the corner of Mission and 10^th – one and a half blocks from BART. We are asking $12/sqft/year - $3,350/month Details:
1385MissionFlyer.jpg
  • 174 Shotwell (at 16th). Asking $6500/mo for 4800sf, so a bit out of our price-range, but I suspect that's a starting point for negotiation.


  • Erie off of Mission: Light Industrial shop for lease, 831-1600
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