Talk:Diversity

From Noisebridge
(Difference between revisions)
Jump to: navigation, search
(doing a better job of picking my battles)
 
(3 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown)
Line 5: Line 5:
  
 
As a part of one of the groups this page targets, I think this is dumb. Lists of attributes to not discriminate against are for companies and governments, not collectives like Noisebridge. It's impossible to make the list complete, inevitably suggesting that we exclude unlisted groups that are, in fact, welcome. It also suggests there's a specific non-discrimination rule when most discrimination is really just a form of not being excellent. I didn't feel unwelcome in the space before. Publishing this list just reminds me of the politicization of this sort of issue outside of Noisebridge, which I'd rather avoid. Especially annoying is the line about dogs, which seems very self-serving given the author. It also suggests that welcoming people and their pets are of approximately equal importance. --[[Special:Contributions/173.164.238.54|173.164.238.54]] 02:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 
As a part of one of the groups this page targets, I think this is dumb. Lists of attributes to not discriminate against are for companies and governments, not collectives like Noisebridge. It's impossible to make the list complete, inevitably suggesting that we exclude unlisted groups that are, in fact, welcome. It also suggests there's a specific non-discrimination rule when most discrimination is really just a form of not being excellent. I didn't feel unwelcome in the space before. Publishing this list just reminds me of the politicization of this sort of issue outside of Noisebridge, which I'd rather avoid. Especially annoying is the line about dogs, which seems very self-serving given the author. It also suggests that welcoming people and their pets are of approximately equal importance. --[[Special:Contributions/173.164.238.54|173.164.238.54]] 02:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 
 
* As a white male, I feel this page necessary given the percent of white males that routinely occupy our physical space.  The "hackerspaces" Wikipedia article itself alludes to a previous dispute about whether hackerspaces are "inclusive" or "exclusive".  The final consensus was hackerspaces are generally inclusive.  The Diversity page is a direct attempt at specifically making everybody feel welcome at Noisebridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Citizenkeys]] ([[User talk:Citizenkeys|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Citizenkeys|contribs]])
 
* As a white male, I feel this page necessary given the percent of white males that routinely occupy our physical space.  The "hackerspaces" Wikipedia article itself alludes to a previous dispute about whether hackerspaces are "inclusive" or "exclusive".  The final consensus was hackerspaces are generally inclusive.  The Diversity page is a direct attempt at specifically making everybody feel welcome at Noisebridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Citizenkeys]] ([[User talk:Citizenkeys|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Citizenkeys|contribs]])
 +
** Adding an "other" category does not make people who fall under it feel welcome. It actually says, "You're so marginal, we're not even including you on the list of marginalized groups we've prepared." What Wikipedia says about general hackerspace disputes is irrelevant to the Noisebridge wiki. Also, the dumb line about your dog is still obnoxiously cute or offensive; take your pick. --[[Special:Contributions/69.80.98.142|69.80.98.142]] 03:38, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 +
 +
 +
== What is the point of this page? ==
 +
 +
I'm not sure why this page is necessary, and I also know a couple people who would prefer dogs not be brought to Noisebridge, so the line about the dogs is misleading.
 +
 +
Also, putting women and minorities in the same category as dogs is offensive.
 +
 +
I see the point about women and minorities in the same category as dogs, which is why dogs were on its own paragraph instead of on the list of people welcome.
 +
 +
...But I drop this issue and my points about why this page needs to exist.  I need to do a better job of picking my battles. --Patrick

Latest revision as of 03:17, 22 February 2011

Fact: 100% of all wiki syntax is converted to html before it is displayed in the browser. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Citizenkeys (talkcontribs) 07:27, 19 February 2011

  • That may be true. However, there is no need for humans to edit wiki pages using HTML. I must say, I love that we're having this discussion on the Talk:Diversity page! Using HTML on wikis is a rare kind of diversity which I do not think Noisebridge should tolerate. 89.253.105.39 07:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Really?

As a part of one of the groups this page targets, I think this is dumb. Lists of attributes to not discriminate against are for companies and governments, not collectives like Noisebridge. It's impossible to make the list complete, inevitably suggesting that we exclude unlisted groups that are, in fact, welcome. It also suggests there's a specific non-discrimination rule when most discrimination is really just a form of not being excellent. I didn't feel unwelcome in the space before. Publishing this list just reminds me of the politicization of this sort of issue outside of Noisebridge, which I'd rather avoid. Especially annoying is the line about dogs, which seems very self-serving given the author. It also suggests that welcoming people and their pets are of approximately equal importance. --173.164.238.54 02:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

  • As a white male, I feel this page necessary given the percent of white males that routinely occupy our physical space. The "hackerspaces" Wikipedia article itself alludes to a previous dispute about whether hackerspaces are "inclusive" or "exclusive". The final consensus was hackerspaces are generally inclusive. The Diversity page is a direct attempt at specifically making everybody feel welcome at Noisebridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Citizenkeys (talkcontribs)
    • Adding an "other" category does not make people who fall under it feel welcome. It actually says, "You're so marginal, we're not even including you on the list of marginalized groups we've prepared." What Wikipedia says about general hackerspace disputes is irrelevant to the Noisebridge wiki. Also, the dumb line about your dog is still obnoxiously cute or offensive; take your pick. --69.80.98.142 03:38, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


[edit] What is the point of this page?

I'm not sure why this page is necessary, and I also know a couple people who would prefer dogs not be brought to Noisebridge, so the line about the dogs is misleading.

Also, putting women and minorities in the same category as dogs is offensive.

I see the point about women and minorities in the same category as dogs, which is why dogs were on its own paragraph instead of on the list of people welcome.

...But I drop this issue and my points about why this page needs to exist. I need to do a better job of picking my battles. --Patrick

Personal tools