User talk:Gregorydillon
==Can we disassemble the sleep space ???
The sleep cave destroyed a lot of community feelings and badly set Noisebridge back. I think the conflict it caused, the augmentation of hopelessness that it pushed is a major reason that the cleanup had such low turn out out. Can we now disassemble the sleep space?? Even good people sometimes make bad choices. Friends help them.
Hi Greg. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here is a link to an essay with guidelines fpr postulating causal (rather than casual) correlation -> http://norvig.com/experiment-design.html ... And, another interesting essay in the same vein here -> http://norvig.com/prayer.html
Previously posted thoughts
was at NB for some of NYE. The official meeting was very short. The IRC link was tried, and it seemed to work better than I'd have thought, showing it is good to keep an open mind and try things out.
Im not feeling good with the "Fort" that J.C. is building at the front of the NB. Several reasons, but I could "keep an open mind" for a week. I didn't like that
- he didn't talk to people ahead of time,
- he used a legitimate reason for a temp changes, "chaos 30c3" and then slid in behind it a perm.
- that if a reason for his project exists, I don't understand any reason why it has to be in "primo" real estate
- It looks exclusionary, and as if privatizing space.
- The philosophy sounds elitist, " we are the elite, I'm captain kirk on the bridge of the enterprise.
- I use the space in the morning, and when there are too much sleeper, and night time people who leave there stuff out, NB becomes uninviting in the am
After becoming a member.
December 18 At the space little before 7 am. At least two people sleeping here. Lots of dirty dishes, one group of dishes appear to be left by XXX and friends. The space is not inviting this morning. May go to a traditional coffee.
December 16 I briefly stopped in the space, with the intention of seeing the possibility of a food hacking session, e.g. make community through food, and holiday cheer, and seeing what was happening in the new "help desk" hour. Had problems with the kitchen area. I could not get either of the stoves to turn on, and I did not understand the process of an induction stovetop. The stovetop does seem to be working, but I couldn't get the oven to. - I wanted to use the Tuesday meeting as a platform to announce and recruit. Worried that a "window of opportunity may pass."
December 15
There are too many mice in the space. Something should be done, but I wonder if the solutions are "do-arcracy" or are more the type of things that should have a buy-in from the community, and thus be addressed with consensus.
December 9
Yes. Got my code to open the door. Thank you. I feel more like a "member."
I should keep notes.
So on Wednesday, December 4, 2013 I tried to get someone to help or tell me how to get an access code, now that I am for sure a member.
To groups and to individuals, I asked about 10 people. The was a general professions of: don't know how, we are too busy. write a note to the discussion list.
Sleeper Thoughts
Someone sleeping in the DJ booth. No one sleeping on the couch. Gregorydillon (talk) 14:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
January 21, 2014
About 6:20 am. "lobster" was sleeping on the coach in the main section. HVisibly that is not helpful to the space. I asked him who is sponsoring him. He said Jake, but that jake is not here. Then said JC. JC was also sleeping here in his own space and confirmed that he is sponsoring lobster to sleep on the coach. Joseph and Jayc are here. When I spoke up to lobster, some other younger women laughed at me trying to bring order to the place.
Hi
January 15, 2014
Arrived early. Three people openly sleeping: two on the coaches at the entrance, one in the library. All recognizable as members or regulars. UPDATE - a second consensus member sleeping here. so that makes 4
I'm making my coffee, and looking at System Administration Class, examples.
December 28, 2013
Couple weeks of summarized observations. I've come in early to the space about 4 times and I've seen some more people sleeping here. I haven't woken any of them up. I'm not comfortable with dealing with the expected confrontation, especially when I believe the person is sleeping off a drug or alcohol binge and rather won't listen.
I don't want to get judgmental, and I'm also thinking that sometimes a ban is too harsh for the event. More like, if someone has slept there, they shouldn't be in the overnight hours for about 3 months.
Also, dealing with this at Tuesday meetings takes too long. For two recent sleepers 40 minutes one week 20 minutes another => 1 hour times ~ 20 people at the meeting =. 20 person hour * some value.
December 13, 2013 Was at NB at about 8:20. Don't think there were any sleepers.
December 12, 2013 Was at NB early, "7:30 am" partly with intention to take inventory if there were sleepers. I did not see any. And was surprised in a good way how much "good activity" was happening early in the morning. Also, normal, around the water cooler talk among strong players.
Some rather random notes:
Saturday, I was in the space early, well 11:00 am on a Saturday, for the cleanup event.
At the time, there were two people asleep in the Church Classroom, One guy who probably had just wokenup.
My thoughts are still evolving about what is the best way to deal with people using Noisebridge as a shelter.
It does have a cost for inconveniencing other people using the space
Observe first. I want to get my ideas together, before doing something the "wrong" way
Disinclined to call this a police emergency. Its been happening a long time, so it is not an "emergency" And people sleeping is not an "emergency" but maybe it is a non-emergency police matter. Or maybe not even. .... And should be dealt with by access controls and Tuesday meetings. Ponder, ponder, talk about this.
I didn't want to be the one to confront the sleepers.
Better wiki procedures
Four Tildes created this.
Gregorydillon (talk) 05:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
and Three Tildes create this. Gregorydillon (talk)
More hints at : [1]
Number of Noisebridge users is 3,642.
Gregorydillon
https://www.noisebridge.net
Draft Proposed Consensus Item -v0.2 Please feel free to comment -
When a person is found sleeping at Noisebridge, the community should consider if there are sufficient mitigating circumstance or gray areas --e.g power naps, special extenuating circumstances, etc. -- so that a sanction other than banning should be permitted.
The problems related with sleeping at Noisebridge are not easily solved but it would be helpful sanctions other than banning at Noisebridge that recognizes gray areas, mitigating circumstances and allows for sanctions other than banning.
Gregorydillon (talk p) 15:25, 22 January 2014 (UTC) Gregorydillon (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Saturday Afternoon Cleanup Review
I participated in the Saturday afternoon cleanup again. My third in a row. Attendance / participation was sparse, but these event make a difference in how the place looks.
Al's floor cleaning machine is awesome. Monad did a lot of work. Monad really worked hard for a lot of hours I didn't. I felt, I'm going to do my part and some extra so I worked about an hour plus, but vendajo
Sleeping at Noisebridge
Gregorydillon (talk) 14:38, 29 January 2014 (UTC) Got in just about 6:15. One guy sleeping in the library where I like to drink my coffee. I offered him a cup of coffee. he declined, and after a few went to the restroom, and then I believe a different space to finish his sleep. All in all, rather chill.
Got in just just before six. The place looked great. The floor is clean, the kitchen is clean. The space was quiet.
There were at least two people sleeping. One in the DJ booth, and one in chairs in Church.Gregorydillon (talk) 14:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)