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Can we disassemble the sleep space

The sleep cave destroyed a lot of community feelings and badly set Noisebridge back. I think the conflict it caused, the augmentation of hopelessness that it pushed is a major reason that the cleanup had such low turn out out. Can we now disassemble the sleep space?? Even good people sometimes make bad choices. Friends help them.

yes you can - anonymous

Hi Greg. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here is a link to an essay with guidelines fpr postulating causal (rather than casual) correlation -> ... And, another interesting essay in the same vein here ->

Thanks for the link. Good stuff, some of which I'm aware of. But I not trying to cloth my perception of the reason the turnout at the cleanup was low with a veneer of scientific backing, Its just what I think, largely from my own cognitive experience of the events, and a small amount of sample of convenience.

Sleeper Thoughts

Someone sleeping in the DJ booth. No one sleeping on the couch. Gregorydillon (talk) 14:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

January 21, 2014

About 6:20 am. "lobster" was sleeping on the coach in the main section. HVisibly that is not helpful to the space. I asked him who is sponsoring him. He said Jake, but that jake is not here. Then said JC. JC was also sleeping here in his own space and confirmed that he is sponsoring lobster to sleep on the coach. Joseph and Jayc are here. When I spoke up to lobster, some other younger women laughed at me trying to bring order to the place.

Hi January 15, 2014

Arrived early. Three people openly sleeping: two on the coaches at the entrance, one in the library. All recognizable as members or regulars. UPDATE - a second consensus member sleeping here. so that makes 4

I'm making my coffee, and looking at System Administration Class, examples.

December 28, 2013

Couple weeks of summarized observations. I've come in early to the space about 4 times and I've seen some more people sleeping here. I haven't woken any of them up. I'm not comfortable with dealing with the expected confrontation, especially when I believe the person is sleeping off a drug or alcohol binge and rather won't listen.

I don't want to get judgmental, and I'm also thinking that sometimes a ban is too harsh for the event. More like, if someone has slept there, they shouldn't be in the overnight hours for about 3 months.

Also, dealing with this at Tuesday meetings takes too long. For two recent sleepers 40 minutes one week 20 minutes another => 1 hour times ~ 20 people at the meeting =. 20 person hour * some value.

December 13, 2013 Was at NB at about 8:20. Don't think there were any sleepers.

December 12, 2013 Was at NB early, "7:30 am" partly with intention to take inventory if there were sleepers. I did not see any. And was surprised in a good way how much "good activity" was happening early in the morning. Also, normal, around the water cooler talk among strong players.

Some rather random notes:

Saturday, I was in the space early, well 11:00 am on a Saturday, for the cleanup event.

At the time, there were two people asleep in the Church Classroom, One guy who probably had just wokenup.

My thoughts are still evolving about what is the best way to deal with people using Noisebridge as a shelter.

It does have a cost for inconveniencing other people using the space

Observe first. I want to get my ideas together, before doing something the "wrong" way

Disinclined to call this a police emergency. Its been happening a long time, so it is not an "emergency" And people sleeping is not an "emergency" but maybe it is a non-emergency police matter. Or maybe not even. .... And should be dealt with by access controls and Tuesday meetings. Ponder, ponder, talk about this.

I didn't want to be the one to confront the sleepers.

Better wiki procedures

--Greg (talk) 16:47, 3 February 2014 (UTC) The automatic signiture page gives UTC time. Wish there was a toggle to give local time.

two equal signs -- I'm thinking that two equal signs is wiki markup for creating a new section. Gregorydillon (talk)

Four Tildes created this.

Gregorydillon (talk) 05:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

and Three Tildes create this. Gregorydillon (talk)

More hints at : [1]

Number of Noisebridge users is 32,626.


Draft Proposed Consensus Item -v0.2 Please feel free to comment -

When a person is found sleeping at Noisebridge, the community should consider if there are sufficient mitigating circumstance or gray areas --e.g power naps, special extenuating circumstances, etc. -- so that a sanction other than banning should be permitted.

The problems related with sleeping at Noisebridge are not easily solved but it would be helpful sanctions other than banning at Noisebridge that recognizes gray areas, mitigating circumstances and allows for sanctions other than banning.

Gregorydillon (talk p) 15:25, 22 January 2014 (UTC) Gregorydillon (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Sleeping at Noisebridge

@ 6:30 am on Feb 6, --Greg (talk) 14:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC) Someone took the table with hardwired internet, and moving it to make a second sleep cave in J.C. Space. Not happy because its part of my coffee in the morning routine. I didn't wake the person up, but want to, and ask what's up with moving this to make a sleep space.

@ 8:30 am local time, when I left, there were two people openly sleeping in the space. Should I start to be putting names with the sleeping people? I know I feel different when it is "residency" sleeping from "catch some winks when working hard" or had a "extraordinary emergency" so.--Greg (talk) 16:59, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

6:30 am pacific time is --Greg (talk) 14:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC) One sleeping at the common hacatorium table. Someone who frequently slept here the last two weeks is awake and drawing. Hidden, idk

--Greg (talk) 16:05, 4 February 2014 (UTC)Here just before 8 am. Same two habitual sleepers. One wakes up from J.C's cave, the other is still sleeping on the floor by the soldering area. Better then when he was sleeping in the library.

--Greg (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2014 (UTC) second habitual sleeper comes out of J.C.'s den.

--Greg (talk) 17:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC) One guy openly sleeping by common table in Hackatorium. Raining out. Would feel sorry for him. I think its 4 times I've seen him sleeping here, and two other times in the early am. I think he has moved in. Don't know his name.

Did you ask his name? Or try talking to him about why people sleeping at Noisebridge makes it unpleasant for others? - anonymous
No neither - I'll probably ask around and get his name. --Greg (talk) 17:15, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Gregorydillon (talk) 17:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC) got in late this morning. Didn't see anyone asleep, but three people who regularly sleep at NB, here in the early.

Gregorydillon (talk) 14:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC) Got in about 6:15. Two people sleeping in the Library. Both are repeat sleepers. (One is same guy as yesterday "wake up with coffee, wears a beanie." and (?a??)

Gregorydillon (talk) 14:38, 29 January 2014 (UTC) Got in just about 6:15. One guy sleeping in the library where I like to drink my coffee. I offered him a cup of coffee. he declined, and after a few went to the restroom, and then I believe a different space to finish his sleep. All in all, rather chill.

Got in just just before six. The place looked great. The floor is clean, the kitchen is clean. The space was quiet.

There were at least two people sleeping. One in the DJ booth, and one in chairs in Church.Gregorydillon (talk) 14:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Better than Starbuck - Was Glorified Starbucks

--Greg (talk) 14:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)kitchen sink area remains totally trashed. almost over flowing. See notes on sleeping. Basically, a few new sleepers, and the place is getting bad.

--Greg (talk) 16:06, 4 February 2014 (UTC)Kitchen sink area remains totally trashed. Dauntingly messy.

--Greg (talk) 17:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)Brought Coffee, Made a pot. Cleaned the sink area and around the coffee tray for 10 minutes. But kitchen is still messy.

Gregorydillon (talk) 17:53, 1 February 2014 (UTC) Got here at weekend hours, about 9:30. I'm working hard on doing a bash script, so I was here late last night, and kinda early this morning. Gonna do a count, but seems like 6 sleeper were here over night, but are awake now. Too much non hacker noise, coming from them with words like, fucking, shit, hella, louder laughs then necessary. I made a pot of coffee, but if this keeps up, I'm moving on this morning.

Gregorydillon (talk) 17:34, 31 January 2014 (UTC)Joseph had coffee made when I got in this morning. It was good.' Gregorydillon (talk) 14:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC) The kitchen sink is rather backed up with dirty dishes, considerable uneaten food left on counter an uncleaned crumbs..

My wiki talk page got out of order. Trying to restore it. Gregorydillon (talk) 14:41, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I came late. Say 7:10. Joseph made coffee and offered me some. Nice. Gregorydillon (talk) 15:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou, whoever brought the coffee filters. 15:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Nice, Monoad came in early this morning. Nice to see someone solid in the morning. I believe there are 6 people here none of whom are members or associates.

Sashy was sleeping on the coach in the front room. Turning on the lights woke her up. I asked her if a member was sponsoring her. She said she has been a member for three years. But she didn't know her name on the on membership rolls. Another guy who had been sleeping on the other front coach, said that he doesn't have a sponsor, but that he has been vetted and told that it was okay by someone who I 90% sure is. (***R***). Then Sara is sleeping in J.C.'s space. Two people awake in the back who I recognize, one that I don't recognize. - Not a real Starbucks. Gregorydillon (talk) 15:36, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

The guy who has vetted by (***R***) is rambling on nearly incoherently. Makes the space creepy.

Gregorydillon (talk) 14:39, 23 January 2014 (UTC) Made a pot of coffee. Opened some windows, place smells of a decaying mouse. It is quiet.

January 21, 2014 When I talk to people about this, Ive gotten links that it won't work

January 17, 2014 Actual Starbucks. The gate was locked, and keycode did not work.

January 16, 2014 Nice. Very nice. In by 6. am One very polite guy using multimeters and soldering. All the dishes have been done. No one is openly sleeping here. Very nice. I think the same coffee taste better than normal.

January 14, 2014 I was in the space before 6 am this morning. I made a smaller pot of coffee, and ended up drinking it myself. Today, I liked it the noisebridge space at the early hour. I put on some Mozart, softly. I worked on a course that I'm looking at with the beginning of a new semester at CCSF. - enuf on that for now.

Again the Kitchen is a mess, with the sink filled with plates, cutting boards with messes on them. General disorder.

January 13, 2014 Late for Coding Class Starbucks. Got here about 8:10 am. But the environment is not work friendly. The music is wrong, with wrong words, and it more feels like its driven by someone up all night, than music for people waking up. Also the Coffee maker area is a mess, and the kitchen is a mess. I made a pot of coffee and offered some. I didn't cleanup the other people's mess.

I'm studying by video watching CS50. the Harvard extension programming class. But. as is for I would not attach my name to hosting a morning study meetup at noisebridge, even that there are 15 people looking for a meetup space on

January 11, 2014 I came in about 7:45 on Saturday with the plan to make a pot of coffee. But disappointed. Yesterday there were like +10 coffee filters left. Today there were zero. What happened? I like to start my morning with coffee.

January 10, 2014 I'm feeling the space would be better if there was more activity in the morning. I've been making a pot of coffee, well twice now. I was thinking about doing some morning cousera coding glorified coffee starbucks haha. What it would be is making a pot(s) of coffee between say 7:15 and 8:45, and putting coursera coding classes on a the collaborationstation in Turing, and a clean table between the kitchen and Turing. One room with a scheduled video coding classes, and an outside area for either small group, or just coding. What do you think? Would you go? Would you cooperate, and take the lead role on certain days? I'm just thinking, but not committed yet."

Potentential Consensus Item - Your thoughts are invited - The names of those who block has to be included on the wiki history page

I have a proposed consensus item that I'm mulling.

That when a consensus item is blocked by <=2, their names have to be included on the wiki history page.

Rational - Makes it easy to see if someone is a habitual blocker, and facilitate communication to resolve.

And - more playfully, if someone blocks more than twice in a four week period, they have to put out the garbage, and clean the kitchen and bathrooms for a month. haha Show their contribution. Just kidding, but like many jokes with a hint or

Banned People

--Greg (talk) 16:45, 3 February 2014 (UTC) This morning I heard that Dante came back last night. He took a fighting attitude. saying he and his control the space.

Someone Spammed with bad pictures my user page. I deleted the link.

This is not nice. These pictures have no place here.

And who ever is doing this should stop.

Added Large Power Strip to bottom of table in Library area

This am, installed a large 10 outlet power strip in the bottom of one of the tables in the library area. Also, with Rayc we installed a good ethernet box with multiple plugs. After setting, up, thought that the better location for the ethernet box would be under the table. But let's protype and live with it to see before more changes.