[Build] panel sizing was Re: New to noisebridge and looking to build

jim jim at well.com
Thu Oct 22 08:38:24 PDT 2009




   i'm rarely there in the evenings and only early 
evenings if that. i'm often there during weekdays, 
typically sometime between 10 AM to 5 PM or so. 
i'm almost never there on weekends. 

   generally i have other things to do 
* mondays before noon 
* wednesdays between 11 AM and 4 PM 
* thursdays before noon 

   if you can make it during the weekdays, let me 
know and i might be able to adjust my schedule. 
   if you can only work evenings and weekends, let 
me know what's the earliest you can get there 
weekdays, and i might be able to overlap a bit. 




On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 00:14 -0700, Aaron Stone wrote:

> Awesome, thank you for sharing more info. I figured there was good
> thinking happening but since I was just looking at it all by myself, I
> needed to ask more questions to understand it.
> 
> I do feel a, "Wait, wait, really?" coming on from the proximity of the
> panel to potentially wet food work spaces, though. I don't think
> that's a hot idea. It looked like there's going to be a center island
> with a counter top surrounding that column?
> 
> I met Jim today shortly after sending my email, and we did a
> walkthrough of the work to be done. So I'll try to stop by 1-2 days a
> week to hack on various pieces of the puzzle. I personally work best
> with a small team and not too many oblivious bystanders, so if there
> are build days / peeps who tend to show up together to work, I'd love
> to join in on that.
> 
> Cheers,
> Aaron
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:03 AM, neil maclean <neil at warmcove.org> wrote:
> > Hi Aaron,
> > I put the panel on the post for the kitchen after discussion with Zedd,
> > Miloh, and Jim and a few others. Its in an excellent position from the
> > standpoint of being out of the way of cooks and eaters, and the many
> > pathways out of it to other key locations, but the location is part of a
> > plan, if the plan is not communicated to those that carry it forward it is
> > unlikely to be simple or as useful as if the plan is completed. I don't know
> > what other people's schedule is for finishing the build out, but when that
> > time comes I will try to clear some of my time and finish connecting up the
> > panel or at the least laying out the design on whoever will take it forward.
> > If build meetings are still occurring on Friday nights, I'll try to make it,
> > especially if work on kitchen or on a media area resume.
> >
> > To answer the question about sizing: the 100 amps 3 phase was because the
> > kitchen crew planned a 220 50 amp oven and stovetop, a 220 30 amp water
> > heater, a 220 30amp clothes dryer, a washer, additional kitchen appliances,
> > plus this was the only new panel delivered to that entire quadrant of the
> > space so who knows what might come: (since the panel was installed requests
> > for a fan/blower, and dark room have come forward.)
> >
> > Unless I've forgotten, (?) the panel in the shop is three phase and was
> > sized for two reasons: three phase 50 is plenty for the list of equipment
> > that Jim thought likely to eventually be in place: small lathe, cutters,
> > printers, drill press, perhaps a band saw. Nothing that burns like a welder
> > or paint oven, nor any other really large electrical draw (motors not
> > heaters in contrast to the kitchen/laundry/bathroom.) Secondly, we had extra
> > #6 wire so it was cheap and on hand to put in the 50.
> >
> > Its exciting to see the space getting used, I showed up Monday for
> > electronics class and got way laid by a notebook vs water crisis so missed
> > the chance to build my own TV be Gone.
> > I'm looking forward to having a great kitchen and a decent media space after
> > the next wave of building.
> >
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > Aaron Stone wrote:
> >>
> >> I taped a piece of paper to the wall next to the main panel labeling
> >> each of the breakers.
> >>
> >> The subpanel in the dirty shop is two phase 50 amp, is that enough for
> >> the machinery that's going in there?
> >>
> >> The kitchen subpanel is three phase 100 amp, and in an awkward
> >> location for getting power back up that column. Is there going to be
> >> an electric oven/stove that warrants so much power?
> >>
> >> Aaron
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Aaron Stone <sodabrew at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the brain dump of things to work on! I'll put some noisebot
> >>> time into my schedule this week and use your list to do a walkaround
> >>> triage of what I can help with.
> >>>
> >>> Are the parts for these projects all bought already? If not, is there
> >>> a reimbursement fund or is it on a donation basis by whomever makes
> >>> the hardware store run?
> >>>
> >>> Aaron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:43 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  there is no schedule. people do what they can (or
> >>>> please) when they can.
> >>>>
> >>>>  one burning need is for storage. seems to me the
> >>>> stuff in the turing classroom is of three categories:
> >>>> computer stuff, construction stuff, and the flat
> >>>> screen stuff (on the table near the door).
> >>>>  getting the computer stuff and the construction
> >>>> stuff off the tables makes the room useable.
> >>>>  places to put the stuff include near the big rack
> >>>> and other computer stuff near the fridge (for the
> >>>> computer stuff) as well as along the wall that
> >>>> divides the classrooms from the central walkway space
> >>>> (for the construction stuff). leave the flat screen
> >>>> stuff where it is for now.
> >>>>
> >>>>  look at the construction of the shelves in the
> >>>> storage closet and build another one or two shelves.
> >>>> i've got the hang of it, so just as well leave it
> >>>> for me--i'll get to it fast.
> >>>>  there's paint and electrical fittings in the
> >>>> storage closet.
> >>>>
> >>>>  against the west windows are planks for the book
> >>>> shelves. cut 2x4s in 12 inch lengths (nice and
> >>>> straight cuts, use the radial saw) for supports for
> >>>> the shelves. there are a few heavy cardboard
> >>>> wardrobe boxes to be used as backing (smear glue on
> >>>> the rear edges of the wood then staple or nail the
> >>>> cardboard onto the glued surfaces). there are
> >>>> various nails and glue and various tees and angle
> >>>> braces in the closet next to the electronics area.
> >>>>
> >>>>  the sub-panel on the south wall (west end) should
> >>>> power the lights and receptacles for the electronics
> >>>> area, storage closet, and darkroom. the light fixtures
> >>>> above the electronics area should get powered from
> >>>> the sub-panel and switched from a column on the south
> >>>> wall (look at tape tags on the south wall). bring pipe
> >>>> up from the sub-panel to the ceiling and then branch
> >>>> to the various locations (there's my bender in the
> >>>> storage closet.
> >>>>  wire up the receptacles on the west wall. they get
> >>>> power from the sub-panel on the north wall (near the
> >>>> elevator room).
> >>>>  in the middle of the north wall in the turing
> >>>> classroom, near the floor, is a box with wires sticking
> >>>> out. leave it alone till i group the red-black-white
> >>>> wires. then it'll be ready for provide power for lights
> >>>> in the dirty workshop, turing classroom, and church
> >>>> classroom as well as receptacles in the turing and
> >>>> church classrooms.
> >>>>  the sub-panel in the dirty workshop provides power
> >>>> for receptacles in the dirty workshop. use singles for
> >>>> dedicated machines; use duplexes for handtools.
> >>>>  send me email off-list and we can coordinate a
> >>>> little better.
> >>>> jim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 20:48 -0700, Aaron Stone wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just discovered noisebridge at the new space anniversary party two
> >>>>> weeks ago. I'd like to come help build out the space!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm handy with electrical, plumbing, and carpentry. I want to learn
> >>>>> Forth, fire dancing, and darkroom photo developing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are there scheduled build days I can jump into?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Aaron
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