[Build] panel sizing was Re: New to noisebridge and looking to build

Aaron Stone sodabrew at gmail.com
Thu Oct 22 09:25:18 PDT 2009


Weekdays are currently good for me. Funemployment and all that jazz :[]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:38 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
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>   i'm rarely there in the evenings and only early
> evenings if that. i'm often there during weekdays,
> typically sometime between 10 AM to 5 PM or so.
> i'm almost never there on weekends.
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>   generally i have other things to do
> * mondays before noon
> * wednesdays between 11 AM and 4 PM
> * thursdays before noon
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>   if you can make it during the weekdays, let me
> know and i might be able to adjust my schedule.
>   if you can only work evenings and weekends, let
> me know what's the earliest you can get there
> weekdays, and i might be able to overlap a bit.
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> On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 00:14 -0700, Aaron Stone wrote:
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>> Awesome, thank you for sharing more info. I figured there was good
>> thinking happening but since I was just looking at it all by myself, I
>> needed to ask more questions to understand it.
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>> I do feel a, "Wait, wait, really?" coming on from the proximity of the
>> panel to potentially wet food work spaces, though. I don't think
>> that's a hot idea. It looked like there's going to be a center island
>> with a counter top surrounding that column?
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>> I met Jim today shortly after sending my email, and we did a
>> walkthrough of the work to be done. So I'll try to stop by 1-2 days a
>> week to hack on various pieces of the puzzle. I personally work best
>> with a small team and not too many oblivious bystanders, so if there
>> are build days / peeps who tend to show up together to work, I'd love
>> to join in on that.
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>> Cheers,
>> Aaron
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>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:03 AM, neil maclean <neil at warmcove.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Aaron,
>> > I put the panel on the post for the kitchen after discussion with Zedd,
>> > Miloh, and Jim and a few others. Its in an excellent position from the
>> > standpoint of being out of the way of cooks and eaters, and the many
>> > pathways out of it to other key locations, but the location is part of a
>> > plan, if the plan is not communicated to those that carry it forward it is
>> > unlikely to be simple or as useful as if the plan is completed. I don't know
>> > what other people's schedule is for finishing the build out, but when that
>> > time comes I will try to clear some of my time and finish connecting up the
>> > panel or at the least laying out the design on whoever will take it forward.
>> > If build meetings are still occurring on Friday nights, I'll try to make it,
>> > especially if work on kitchen or on a media area resume.
>> >
>> > To answer the question about sizing: the 100 amps 3 phase was because the
>> > kitchen crew planned a 220 50 amp oven and stovetop, a 220 30 amp water
>> > heater, a 220 30amp clothes dryer, a washer, additional kitchen appliances,
>> > plus this was the only new panel delivered to that entire quadrant of the
>> > space so who knows what might come: (since the panel was installed requests
>> > for a fan/blower, and dark room have come forward.)
>> >
>> > Unless I've forgotten, (?) the panel in the shop is three phase and was
>> > sized for two reasons: three phase 50 is plenty for the list of equipment
>> > that Jim thought likely to eventually be in place: small lathe, cutters,
>> > printers, drill press, perhaps a band saw. Nothing that burns like a welder
>> > or paint oven, nor any other really large electrical draw (motors not
>> > heaters in contrast to the kitchen/laundry/bathroom.) Secondly, we had extra
>> > #6 wire so it was cheap and on hand to put in the 50.
>> >
>> > Its exciting to see the space getting used, I showed up Monday for
>> > electronics class and got way laid by a notebook vs water crisis so missed
>> > the chance to build my own TV be Gone.
>> > I'm looking forward to having a great kitchen and a decent media space after
>> > the next wave of building.
>> >
>> >
>> > Neil
>> >
>> > Aaron Stone wrote:
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>> >> I taped a piece of paper to the wall next to the main panel labeling
>> >> each of the breakers.
>> >>
>> >> The subpanel in the dirty shop is two phase 50 amp, is that enough for
>> >> the machinery that's going in there?
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>> >> The kitchen subpanel is three phase 100 amp, and in an awkward
>> >> location for getting power back up that column. Is there going to be
>> >> an electric oven/stove that warrants so much power?
>> >>
>> >> Aaron
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>> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Aaron Stone <sodabrew at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for the brain dump of things to work on! I'll put some noisebot
>> >>> time into my schedule this week and use your list to do a walkaround
>> >>> triage of what I can help with.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are the parts for these projects all bought already? If not, is there
>> >>> a reimbursement fund or is it on a donation basis by whomever makes
>> >>> the hardware store run?
>> >>>
>> >>> Aaron
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:43 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>  there is no schedule. people do what they can (or
>> >>>> please) when they can.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  one burning need is for storage. seems to me the
>> >>>> stuff in the turing classroom is of three categories:
>> >>>> computer stuff, construction stuff, and the flat
>> >>>> screen stuff (on the table near the door).
>> >>>>  getting the computer stuff and the construction
>> >>>> stuff off the tables makes the room useable.
>> >>>>  places to put the stuff include near the big rack
>> >>>> and other computer stuff near the fridge (for the
>> >>>> computer stuff) as well as along the wall that
>> >>>> divides the classrooms from the central walkway space
>> >>>> (for the construction stuff). leave the flat screen
>> >>>> stuff where it is for now.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  look at the construction of the shelves in the
>> >>>> storage closet and build another one or two shelves.
>> >>>> i've got the hang of it, so just as well leave it
>> >>>> for me--i'll get to it fast.
>> >>>>  there's paint and electrical fittings in the
>> >>>> storage closet.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  against the west windows are planks for the book
>> >>>> shelves. cut 2x4s in 12 inch lengths (nice and
>> >>>> straight cuts, use the radial saw) for supports for
>> >>>> the shelves. there are a few heavy cardboard
>> >>>> wardrobe boxes to be used as backing (smear glue on
>> >>>> the rear edges of the wood then staple or nail the
>> >>>> cardboard onto the glued surfaces). there are
>> >>>> various nails and glue and various tees and angle
>> >>>> braces in the closet next to the electronics area.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  the sub-panel on the south wall (west end) should
>> >>>> power the lights and receptacles for the electronics
>> >>>> area, storage closet, and darkroom. the light fixtures
>> >>>> above the electronics area should get powered from
>> >>>> the sub-panel and switched from a column on the south
>> >>>> wall (look at tape tags on the south wall). bring pipe
>> >>>> up from the sub-panel to the ceiling and then branch
>> >>>> to the various locations (there's my bender in the
>> >>>> storage closet.
>> >>>>  wire up the receptacles on the west wall. they get
>> >>>> power from the sub-panel on the north wall (near the
>> >>>> elevator room).
>> >>>>  in the middle of the north wall in the turing
>> >>>> classroom, near the floor, is a box with wires sticking
>> >>>> out. leave it alone till i group the red-black-white
>> >>>> wires. then it'll be ready for provide power for lights
>> >>>> in the dirty workshop, turing classroom, and church
>> >>>> classroom as well as receptacles in the turing and
>> >>>> church classrooms.
>> >>>>  the sub-panel in the dirty workshop provides power
>> >>>> for receptacles in the dirty workshop. use singles for
>> >>>> dedicated machines; use duplexes for handtools.
>> >>>>  send me email off-list and we can coordinate a
>> >>>> little better.
>> >>>> jim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 20:48 -0700, Aaron Stone wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I just discovered noisebridge at the new space anniversary party two
>> >>>>> weeks ago. I'd like to come help build out the space!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm handy with electrical, plumbing, and carpentry. I want to learn
>> >>>>> Forth, fire dancing, and darkroom photo developing.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Are there scheduled build days I can jump into?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>> Aaron
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