[Cyborg] [EEG] Sorcerers' apprentice (Re: Bootstrapping class?)

Mike Schachter mike at mindmech.com
Tue Apr 13 13:00:00 PDT 2010


Just to chime on the neuroscience stuff - I work as a part-time research
tech over at Cal Berkeley, and used to be a research tech over at University
of Pennsylvania when I lived in Philly. Both jobs were computational
neuroscience,
biophysical modeling for neurons and then more abstract mathematical models
of
computation for neurons.

I'm not a grad student or anything, but got my foot in the door by
volunteering.
Many researchers are more than happy to teach volunteers what they don't
know in return for a little labor. I volunteered for months prior to my
first position,
then got a part time job as a tech, then eventually a full time job. It's a
long road
but definitely worth it. I did the same thing at Cal Berkeley, although my
prior
experience as a tech at upenn definitely helped.

All I'm trying to say is that if you're interested in a lab somewhere, email
the
person in charge of the lab and meet up with them. Read their papers, start
out as a volunteer then move on from there if you're still interested after
that.

  mike


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Kelly <hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Because noisebridge is a pretty good lab to start with, and better labs
> > may be quite some distance away.
>
> > That said, the prospects of access to an infrastructure far more
> > advanced than what exists at noisebridge could keep you too far away to
> > make more than very sporadic visits to noisebridge practical.
>
> Ah... what are you talking about? There are two major institutions
> within 30 min public transit of NB that each have many many
> neuroscience labs. And that's not to mention the many non-academic
> sources of neuro work in the bay area.  And I'm assuming both the
> lawrence labs do none, which is probably not true. To my knowledge,
> two noisebridge members have jobs at neuroscience labs at present, and
> more have in the past (and one works at Lawrence).  I just thought I'd
> point out that it's totally possible to get a position like this,
> especially if you're technical and have modest income requirements.
>
> But sure, Noisebridge makes for a good lab--assuming you want to be
> your own PI.  In which case, like I suggested, let's git er done.
>
> -Kelly
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:54, Christoph Maier
> <cm.hardware.software.elsewhere at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 10:32 -0700, Kelly wrote:
> >> Sai, it sounds like you want an apprenticeship in a lab--why don't you
> >> try to get one?
> >
> > Because noisebridge is a pretty good lab to start with, and better labs
> > may be quite some distance away.
> >
> >> Or alternately, you could just start hacking openEEG. I don't think
> >> that any of us are experts, but we learn by doing. We basically google
> >> the next step and then hack it up (and then recurse).  The EEG group
> >> has been pretty dead lately because I've been really busy and both
> >> Josh and I are working on other projects at NB.  I go back and forth
> >> on actually hacking openeeg myself, and certainly at some point I'll
> >> dig in again, but if you want to see more action, then by all means
> >> act.  I will make myself available for guidance.
> >>
> >> -Kelly
> >
> > That said, the prospects of access to an infrastructure far more
> > advanced than what exists at noisebridge could keep you too far away to
> > make more than very sporadic visits to noisebridge practical.
> >
> > Are y'all going to be around this coming weekend, say, Sunday?
> >
> > I think Mr Sensebridge's funemployment party would be an excellent
> > occasion for me to take a short break from pursuing MY funemployment and
> > to discuss how to coordinate my attempts at doing hands-on EEG stuff
> > with yours, which has been my goal since ... at least since Mitch Altman
> > shanghaied me.
> >
> > Christoph <- so far only wasting time on facebook, playing games,
> > posting videos, and such.
> >
> >> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 21:24, Sai Emrys <noisebridge at saizai.com>
> wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Kelly <hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> I generally give noobs The Spiel when they join up--this includes a
> >> >> basic primer on what EEG is.  It's generally a 10-20 min
> conversation.
> >> >>  Do you need something more in depth than that?
> >> >
> >> > Basically, I want to know as much as you do - as in, enough to do
> >> > anything in an EEG lab.
> >> >
> >> > I've had cogneuro classes at UCB, I know the theoretical basics (minus
> >> > whatever I've forgotten in the last four years), but I do not know
> >> > anything lower level than that; I can't actually use it or analyze
> >> > data.
> >> >
> >> > - Sai
> >
> >
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