[Cyborg] [Noisebridge-discuss] The Next HOPE

Kelly hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
Sat Jan 30 13:07:59 PST 2010


There are definitely specific things that would need to be coded, but
I don't know what they are yet.  What I mean is that there are no
current projects that involve implementing and EEG interface to do
cool stuff. I personally can masturbate away forever just improving
signal quality and writing blink correction algorithms and comparing
sympathetic frequencies. So if someone wants to make cool stuff, they
should come get involved.  At this point we have the hardware side
covered and I've got theory covered, and know how to attack any
implementation problems, I just don't have any particular vision for
implementation. So we're at the point where someone can show up with
an idea and some coding skills unrelated to neuroscience and we can
make it happen.

-Kelly

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Are there specific things that need to be coded?
>
> Mitch.
>
>
> ------------------
>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:37:56 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] The Next HOPE
>> From: hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
>> To: maltman23 at hotmail.com
>> CC: dp at danielpacker.org; eeg at lists.noisebridge.net; askory at gmail.com;
>> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net; mrericboyd at yahoo.com;
>> cyborg at lists.noisebridge.net; ch_luk at berkeley.edu
>>
>> Heh, that all sounds awesome, and we can probably do it all. We just
>> need some coders.
>>
>> -K
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Cool idea.  Let's have an EEG event!  I'd love to help.  We can
>> > create some
>> > simple projects to show off how brainwaves can be used -- first of all
>> > just
>> > displaying them.  Then maybe making a video run forwards and backwards,
>> > like
>> > I saw some people showing off at Yuri's night?  And maybe making a
>> > screen
>> > change colors?
>> >
>> > Mitch.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------
>> >> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:07:25 -0800
>> >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] The Next HOPE
>> >> From: hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
>> >> To: maltman23 at hotmail.com
>> >> CC: dp at danielpacker.org; eeg at lists.noisebridge.net; askory at gmail.com;
>> >> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net; mrericboyd at yahoo.com;
>> >> cyborg at lists.noisebridge.net; ch_luk at berkeley.edu
>> >>
>> >> I think that we'll have an operable EEG rig for sure, probably Tracy's
>> >> 6 channel, so at this point we just need software to do something
>> >> interesting with the data. I've been mulling over how to get more
>> >> software people involved now that the hardware is under control.
>> >>
>> >> I kinda think we need to have an eeg event or presentation of some
>> >> kind to recruit the larger noisebridgian community.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Cool that there are projects that are using the OpenEEG boards!  Are
>> >> > any
>> >> > of
>> >> > the projects ones that would be good to show off at The Next HOPE or
>> >> > the
>> >> > SF
>> >> > Maker Faire?
>> >> >
>> >> > Mitch.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --------------
>> >> >> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:29:21 -0800
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] The Next HOPE
>> >> >> From: hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
>> >> >> To: maltman23 at hotmail.com
>> >> >> CC: dp at danielpacker.org; eeg at lists.noisebridge.net;
>> >> >> askory at gmail.com;
>> >> >> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net; mrericboyd at yahoo.com;
>> >> >> cyborg at lists.noisebridge.net; ch_luk at berkeley.edu
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not only are all of the analog boards claimed, but there aren't
>> >> >> enough
>> >> >> for the current projects in progress. I recommend ordering 3:1
>> >> >> analog
>> >> >> to digital boards. We have a spare digital board though, fyi.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Mitch Altman
>> >> >> <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > We have a few OpenEEG boards at NB.  I'm not sure if all of them
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > claimed
>> >> >> > for projects already.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In any case I think that a collaborative project with one or more
>> >> >> > human
>> >> >> > body
>> >> >> > interfaces would be way interesting.  Daniel, maybe you could put
>> >> >> > out
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > word in other places, too.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mitch.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------------
>> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:37:16 -0800
>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] The Next HOPE
>> >> >> >> From: hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
>> >> >> >> To: dp at danielpacker.org
>> >> >> >> CC: maltman23 at hotmail.com; eeg at lists.noisebridge.net;
>> >> >> >> askory at gmail.com;
>> >> >> >> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net; mrericboyd at yahoo.com;
>> >> >> >> cyborg at lists.noisebridge.net; ch_luk at berkeley.edu
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I see that nb-cyborg is cc-ed, but I thought I'd mention that
>> >> >> >> they've
>> >> >> >> done some similar projects.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -Kelly
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Daniel Packer
>> >> >> >> <dp at danielpacker.org>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > @Mitch - Hoping to make it this weekend!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > My goal with the ECG is to design a board and do a DIY kit
>> >> >> >> > build
>> >> >> >> > with
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > toner transfer method, so I could definitely work on getting
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > kit
>> >> >> >> > displayed at HOPE. Beyond that, I may have time to work on my
>> >> >> >> > own
>> >> >> >> > OpenEEG
>> >> >> >> > but I'm not sure. Maybe with help from the lists I'll do
>> >> >> >> > alright.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If anyone has any robotic projects or ideas that would pair
>> >> >> >> > well
>> >> >> >> > with
>> >> >> >> > ECG
>> >> >> >> > let me know and we can brainstorm. My ideas were either an ECG
>> >> >> >> > printout
>> >> >> >> > you
>> >> >> >> > can take home with you, or a robotic oversized arduino
>> >> >> >> > controlled
>> >> >> >> > plush
>> >> >> >> > heart that beats in sync, and is physiologically accurate
>> >> >> >> > (representing
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > linear firing of the heart muscles).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Might be interesting to work on correlating data from an eeg
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > ecg
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > some entertaining purpose, if such a thing is possible.
>> >> >> >> > Temperature,
>> >> >> >> > blood
>> >> >> >> > pressure, and other simple signals could be mixed in for
>> >> >> >> > effect.
>> >> >> >> > I'm
>> >> >> >> > just
>> >> >> >> > throwing things out there a bit randomly.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I've signed up for the EEG/cyborg lists and will keep an eye on
>> >> >> >> > this
>> >> >> >> > thread
>> >> >> >> > and post thoughts as they come.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > -Daniel (obscurite on #hacdc on freenode)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Mitch Altman
>> >> >> >> > <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Daniel,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Having the ECG project at The Next HOPE will be cool.  I think
>> >> >> >> >> people
>> >> >> >> >> there will like it.  I think that if we had ECG with a few
>> >> >> >> >> other human
>> >> >> >> >> interfaces (North Paw, OpenEEG, etc.) it would be way fun
>> >> >> >> >> and popular
>> >> >> >> >> at the
>> >> >> >> >> conference.  We need people to pipe in, and to make this
>> >> >> >> >> happen!
>> >> >> >> >> If
>> >> >> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> >> had
>> >> >> >> >> a way(s) to control a robot by changing our body that would be
>> >> >> >> >> awesome!
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> ECG is probably an easier way to start out than EEG.  But the
>> >> >> >> >> OpenEEG
>> >> >> >> >> project makes the hardware easy (and pretty inexpensive, too).
>> >> >> >> >> Electrodes
>> >> >> >> >> seem to be the most challenging, but some people, such as
>> >> >> >> >> Andreas,
>> >> >> >> >> who's
>> >> >> >> >> been hanging out at Noisebridge doing way cool EEG stuff, have
>> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> down!  So,
>> >> >> >> >> please feel free to comment and/or ask questions on the
>> >> >> >> >> Noisebridge
>> >> >> >> >> EEG
>> >> >> >> >> list.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Please do come to the workshop at Baltimore-Node.  They seem
>> >> >> >> >> like
>> >> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> really
>> >> >> >> >> good group of people.  Following my workshop on Saturday they
>> >> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> >> having a
>> >> >> >> >> 6-month anniversary open house.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> >> >> Mitch.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> ________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:12:27 -0500
>> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] The Next HOPE
>> >> >> >> >> From: dp at danielpacker.org
>> >> >> >> >> To: maltman23 at hotmail.com
>> >> >> >> >> CC: noisebridge at saizai.com;
>> >> >> >> >> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net;
>> >> >> >> >> eeg at lists.noisebridge.net; cyborg at lists.noisebridge.net
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Hey Mitch,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I've never been to the baltimore node and I hear you're
>> >> >> >> >> supposed
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >> there this weekend. Maybe I'll make a trip up!
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I'm working on a low cost version of an ECG amp front that can
>> >> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >> assembled as a kit. Once that's working I'll refine it with an
>> >> >> >> >> instrumentation amp and add more electrodes. Then I have to
>> >> >> >> >> work
>> >> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> >> ADC
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> signals processing. I have a Xilinx Spartan-3E board with some
>> >> >> >> >> onboard
>> >> >> >> >> ADC
>> >> >> >> >> hardware that might work well as a processing host with the
>> >> >> >> >> picoblaze
>> >> >> >> >> soft
>> >> >> >> >> processor loaded up. Still ironing out the kinks in getting my
>> >> >> >> >> computer
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> talk to the board though ;) I'm also interested in what cheap
>> >> >> >> >> microcontrollers might be able to handle.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> EEG seems considerably more ambitious than ECG, but I'd like
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> move
>> >> >> >> >> onto
>> >> >> >> >> EEG once I get the hang of ECG for sure.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I'm open to working on any kind of human machine interface
>> >> >> >> >> project,
>> >> >> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> >> this is what I'm focusing on right now as an entry point into
>> >> >> >> >> bio
>> >> >> >> >> signals.
>> >> >> >> >> I'd be interested in biofeedback related stuff, driving robots
>> >> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> >> systems with the heart signal, etc.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> -Daniel
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Mitch Altman
>> >> >> >> >> <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> (Thanks for passing that to the list again, Sai.)
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Daniel,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The ECG would be a way fun project to show off!  I'm also
>> >> >> >> >> copying
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> EEG
>> >> >> >> >> and Cyborg lists here, since there's probably projects that
>> >> >> >> >> could
>> >> >> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> >> fit nicely together.  North Paw would certainly be one.  Any
>> >> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> >> Cyborg
>> >> >> >> >> projects that would be cool to show off at The Next HOPE?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Can we get a cool EEG project together for The Next HOPE?  Any
>> >> >> >> >> ideas?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> >> >> Mitch.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> p.s.  I almost made it to DC this trip out East, but couldn't
>> >> >> >> >> quite
>> >> >> >> >> fit
>> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> in.  Nick said you are kicking ass in DC, Daniel.  Yay!
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> -----------------------
>> >> >> >> >> > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:59:55 -0800
>> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Fwd: [Noisebridge-discuss] The Next HOPE
>> >> >> >> >> > From: noisebridge at saizai.com
>> >> >> >> >> > To: maltman23 at hotmail.com
>> >> >> >> >> > CC: dp at danielpacker.org
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Missent.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> >> >> >> > From: Daniel Packer <dp at danielpacker.org>
>> >> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:12 PM
>> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] The Next HOPE
>> >> >> >> >> > To: Sai Emrys <noisebridge at saizai.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Awesome, can't wait.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I'm be down for helping organize, and likely so would
>> >> >> >> >> > several
>> >> >> >> >> > other
>> >> >> >> >> > folks here at HacDC. Not just because it falls on my
>> >> >> >> >> > birthday,
>> >> >> >> >> > either.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Since I'm NB alum, maybe we could share a project. I'm
>> >> >> >> >> > building
>> >> >> >> >> > very
>> >> >> >> >> > basic ECG equipment at the moment, and hope to use
>> >> >> >> >> > microcontrollers
>> >> >> >> >> > and FPGAs (I have the boards) to do real time processing on
>> >> >> >> >> > these
>> >> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> >> > other signals. July is enough time for me to work up to a
>> >> >> >> >> > much
>> >> >> >> >> > nicer
>> >> >> >> >> > ECG design and do some software, especially with help. We
>> >> >> >> >> > could
>> >> >> >> >> > set
>> >> >> >> >> > up
>> >> >> >> >> > a booth where people can come in and get hooked up and maybe
>> >> >> >> >> > have
>> >> >> >> >> > an
>> >> >> >> >> > artificial heart pump to their real heartbeat or something
>> >> >> >> >> > fun
>> >> >> >> >> > that
>> >> >> >> >> > makes it more than just a science project. Might dovetail
>> >> >> >> >> > nicely
>> >> >> >> >> > with
>> >> >> >> >> > wearable/cyborg stuff.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Anyway, congrats and good luck guys!
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > -Daniel (obscurite on #hacdc on freenode)
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Sai Emrys
>> >> >> >> >> > <noisebridge at saizai.com>
>> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > Definitely show off the Northpaw.
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
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