[Darkroom] Hello and looking for liquid bromine

Kelly hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
Thu Jun 30 11:00:15 PDT 2011


Awesome! Can you send us some chem sites to shop on? I will make a wiki page.

-Kelly

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 07:40, Ben Rupert <meowdip at gmail.com> wrote:
> I started reading some of the major chemical supply house's new account
> procedures.  I think we can do it, but we should have a list of
> chemicals that we want to order ready.  We won't have to order them all
> right away, I'll just need to tell them some of the sorts of things we
> will be ordering and what kinds of things we'll do with them.  Obviously
> photography related chemicals will be a big part of this.  Once we
> establish the account, however, we will be able to order anything that's
> legal for us to have at Noisebridge.  So anyway, it would be helpful to
> send me a list of chemicals that you all would want and I'll add some
> myself.
>
> Ben
>
> On 06/29/2011 09:13 PM, Christian Rice wrote:
>> That's freaking awesome.  I am in awe.
>>
>>
>> --christian
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 21:04, Ben Rupert <meowdip at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Christian- I'm a chemist at Lawrence Livermore National Lab.  I've been
>>> looking to get out of the national labs though and one option is to
>>> start my own lab.  I've picked up a few chemicals and some equipment
>>> here and there, mostly getting things cheap when start-ups have gone out
>>> of business.
>>>
>>> Kelly- I'll start looking into what various chemical suppliers want in
>>> order to establish an account.  I can make the phone calls needed once
>>> I've figured out what they want to hear.  I would actually like to do
>>> chemistry demos at Noisebridge, so I'm not going to have to lie to them,
>>> just phrase things carefully.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/29/2011 08:36 PM, Kelly wrote:
>>>> LET'S DO IT!!
>>>>
>>>> I can think of plenty of ways we can work out noisebridge official
>>>> payments. Where do we sign up?
>>>>
>>>> Kelly
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2011 6:33 PM, "Ben Rupert" <meowdip at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:meowdip at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> I do have a few ML of bromine I can bring to noisebridge. It might take
>>>>> me a few days to get it there though. Maybe even early next week.
>>>>> Also, Kelly, I think we should be able to get the major chemical
>>>>> supply houses to sell to us. They don't sell to individuals, but if I
>>>>> call up and tell them that we're an educational non-profit planning a
>>>>> bunch of science demos they will probably let us establish an account.
>>>>> After that we can order anything that doesn't require a federal license
>>>>> (drugs and explosives). We will have to have some official looking
>>>>> payment method, but we can figure that out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/29/2011 05:43 PM, david pan wrote:
>>>>>> duh, ooops. n00b error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Kimberly Austin/ <http://www.kimberlyaustin.net/about.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:42 PM, david pan <kaptures at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:kaptures at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:kaptures at gmail.com <mailto:kaptures at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really can't recall the photographer I am thinking of. It might
>>>>>> be Kimberly Austin, she mixes all her own emulsions by hand (for van
>>>>>> dyke, cyanotype, gum bichromate)... I just don't think it was her
>>>>>> that I had met a few years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also thought of the photo center in the east bay, is it Hayward?
>>>>>> IIRC, they do a lot of teaching there and had previously focused on
>>>>>> film/darkroom & alt-process developing. I think it is in a
>>>>>> community center or some similar site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, without wanting to be an imposition here, I will wish you well
>>>>>> on your endeavors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Kelly <hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Ben, I was actually going to ping you about this anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe it's not a good way to go for bromine in particular, but any
>>>>>> idea if we can use our non-profit status to get better chem
>>>>>> sources? I
>>>>>> know we've discussed institutional suppliers in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Kelly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 07:07, Ben Rupert <meowdip at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:meowdip at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:meowdip at gmail.com <mailto:meowdip at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I might have some liquid bromine, I'll check and get back to
>>>>>> the list.
>>>>>>> Also I didn't watch the video on electrolytic bromine
>>>>>> generation, but I
>>>>>>> have a power supply made for electroplating metals which
>>>>>> should work for
>>>>>>> oxidizing Br- to Br2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/29/2011 02:03 AM, david pan wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have no experience with these things myself. I tend to
>>>>>> work with
>>>>>>>> safer, more 'boring' soup ingredients (wine, coffee, tea,
>>>>>> etc) as my
>>>>>>>> film developers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You may want to try asking in the photo department at CCSF.
>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>> some very capable faculty. I also seem to remember a
>>>>>> professional
>>>>>>>> photographer in the east bay who did a lot of Van Dyke brown and
>>>>>>>> cyanotype and other homemade process photography. I can't
>>>>>> remember, I'd
>>>>>>>> only met her once or twice. I think she lives in Orinda or
>>>>>> Berkeley for
>>>>>>>> some reason. I don't recall if she did dagguerotype too. If
>>>>>> I can find
>>>>>>>> her name, I'll let you know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dunno if this helps at all. Cheers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Christian Rice
>>>>>> <clrice at gmail.com <mailto:clrice at gmail.com> <mailto:clrice at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:clrice at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:clrice at gmail.com <mailto:clrice at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:clrice at gmail.com <mailto:clrice at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another aspect of this procedure that seems like it
>>>>>> wouldn't work
>>>>>>>> for me is I don't want bromine water--I want to drip some
>>>>>> liquid
>>>>>>>> bromine onto a bed of silica gel crystals. The moisture from
>>>>>>>> bromine water is not good for my fuming process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think distillation might be the answer to that (as if
>>>>>> I'd know);
>>>>>>>> but it's a lot easier to talk about than for me to
>>>>>> accomplish.
>>>>>>>> Isolating bromine is not something one wants to mess up
>>>>>> with...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You seem to be confident with chemistry...where does that
>>>>>> come from,
>>>>>>>> if I may ask?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, I'm going cross eyed, thanks for the late night
>>>>>> responses, I'll
>>>>>>>> continue research when the sun rises.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --christian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 1:25, Jasmine Strong
>>>>>> <jasmine at electronpusher.org <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org>
>>>> <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org
>>>> <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ... yeah, he should have used chlorine bleach in place
>>>>>> of hydrogen
>>>>>>>> peroxide. It would have worked then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -J.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 01:20, Christian Rice wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmm, I watched that video, the procedure fails to
>>>>>> isolate bromine...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Back to the drawing board for me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --christian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 0:48, Jasmine Strong
>>>>>>>> <jasmine at electronpusher.org <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org>>
>>>>>> <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org
>>>> <mailto:jasmine at electronpusher.org>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 00:43, Jasmine Strong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 00:39, Christian Rice wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there. I'm working with the mercury
>>>>>> daguerreotype process
>>>>>>>> and I'm in need of some Br2, the purer, the better,
>>>>>>> 99.x%. Water
>>>>>>>> sanitizing stuff (pool/spa tablets and powders) won't do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can make some by electrolyzing bromine solution
>>>>>> sold for
>>>>>>>> pool/spa use. In the quantities you need it's certainly
>>>>>> not worth
>>>>>>>> the expense of going through the hazmat training you'd
>>>>>> need to have
>>>>>>>> a commercial vendor sell you the stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zB6_-vzSM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a process for extracting the stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -J.
>>>>>>>>>
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