[German] Two sounds -- how similar?

Nicholas Fowler nbfowler at gmail.com
Fri Oct 29 18:08:50 PDT 2010


There are certainly regional differences. Not sure if regional variation
affects <öl> so much, but [r] will sound different if you are speaking to
southern and sometimes also more rural Germans (although the rural/urban
dichotomy is probably non-existent now).

In the South, particularly Bavaria, [r] is still a trilled alveolar
(articulated with the tongue tip, almost like in Spanish), whereas in
standard German it's a uvular fricative (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_uvular_fricative). The trilled, alveolar
[r] could potentially make it sound closer to [l]...

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Charlotte <powerfrau99 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I vote different--likely depends on where you are from (regional variations
> just like in the US)
>
> ...
> The lips are in a different position--gerne--the corners of the lips are
> pulled back like for a smile, sides of the tongue meet the upper molars.
>
> Köln, lips are pursed and tongue is more arched, although the sides of the
> tongue meet about the same spots...
>
> Use of air feels different too...
>
> "There are two ways to live -- one as if nothing is a miracle, the other is
> as if everything is a miracle." Albert Einstein
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/29/10, Jason Dusek <jason.dusek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Jason Dusek <jason.dusek at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [German] Two sounds -- how similar?
> > To: "teach or learn the German Language" <german at lists.noisebridge.net>
> > Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 7:57 PM
> >   Consider the "öl" in "Köln"
> > and the "er" in "gerne".
> >
> >     gerne
> >     Köln
> >
> >   Are these two sounds the same? Are they very
> > similar?
> >
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