[Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals

lauren palmateer laurenpalm at earthlink.net
Tue Oct 9 23:58:14 UTC 2012


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-----Original Message-----
From: neuro-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net
[mailto:neuro-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net] On Behalf Of Sai
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 4:52 PM
To: Gregory Perry
Cc: neuro at lists.noisebridge.net
Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals

Can you provide any reason whatsoever why we should believe that the
ear canal is even sensitive to degree of light, let alone color?

Binaural beats are 100% irrelevant to this, as is light stimulation of
the eyes (which, shockingly, *do* contain light receptors).

You're proposing to flash light into someone's *ear*, and claiming
that this will somehow affect their brain. That's simply not possible
without there being some kind of light receptors there, and there are
none.

Also, mind that with EEG you're going to have very high sensitivity to
placebo effect. Any trial that's not fully blinded will not be worth
looking at.

- Sai

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Gregory Perry
<Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv> wrote:
> That is the purpose of the project, to obtain feedback from participating
members of the project to report back their findings.  Coupling a three
channel light pipe assembly to the output stage of a conventional photic
stimulation system, in an isolated setting I can empirically show strong
brainwave stimulation and entrainment in at least three major cortexes
without implicating the visual cortex and without the use of binaural beats.
>
> I will be posting some screencasts of the EEG charting output in the
upcoming days using only in-ear light sources and without the use of LED
goggles and binaural beats.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: saizai at gmail.com [saizai at gmail.com] on behalf of Sai
[noisebridge at saizai.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:27 PM
> To: Gregory Perry
> Cc: neuro at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals
>
> Please cite a peer-reviewed study supporting your claim, preferably
> including a description of the physiological mechanism.
>
> - Sai
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Gregory Perry
> <Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv> wrote:
>> High intensity light flashed into the ear canals causes very strong EEG
entrainment in several major cortexes.
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: saizai at gmail.com [saizai at gmail.com] on behalf of Sai
[noisebridge at saizai.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:05 PM
>> To: Gregory Perry
>> Cc: neuro at lists.noisebridge.net
>> Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals
>>
>> I don't get it. These are earphones that flash light into your ear
>> canal? There are no light receptors in the ear.
>>
>> - Sai
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Gregory Perry
>> <Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv> wrote:
>>> Something of interest for the list members; I've been working on this
photic
>>> stimulation system for about a year now, to facilitate EEG-research
using an
>>> alternative to conventional photic stimulation systems via the visual
>>> cortex:
>>>
>>> http://www.indiegogo.com/GoVirtualCognition?a=1579195
>>> http://www.quirky.com/ideations/320242
>>>
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