[Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals

LinkReincarnate linkreincarnate at gmail.com
Wed Oct 10 16:34:34 UTC 2012


Why all the hate?

Google Scholar thinks it's on the up and up...
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=bright+light+therapy&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=


Bright light therapy has been proven as a treatment for Seasonal Affective
disorder and perinatal depression.  This isn't homeopathy. Lots of our
brain responds to light already,
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-human-brain-is-sensitive-to-light-breakthrough-findings-from-valkee-and-the-university-of-oulu-127506878.html
so
no genetic modification or probes are nessesary.

  I have been looking into adding led's to Mitches Brain machine to
stimulate the ears too.

The point is that the science behind it is sound. Sham studies of bright
light therapy are everywhere.  Maybe we should take a moment to look for
white papers before virtually tarring and feathering people.


That said 300-600 dollars for an led you stick in your ear is not a price
that I would pay... To sum up IMHO The science seems square but the price
seems exploitative of people with mental health issues.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:00 AM, <neuro-request at lists.noisebridge.net>wrote:

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> From: Gregory Perry <Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv>
> To: Sai <noisebridge at saizai.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals
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> 1) This is not a medical device, and at no point in time has it been
> represented as such on this list or elsewhere.  This is an experimental
> photic stimulation system that utilizes the ear canals instead of the eyes.
>
> 2) Observing charting data from a multichannel EEG monitoring device while
> using a photic stimulation system and/or binaural beats generator is not
> rocket science.  Using FFT analysis, changes in brainwave activity directly
> corresponding to the area of the EEG spectrum targeted by the photic
> stimulation session are easily observed.
> This is especially the case when using randomized photic stimulation
> methods such as the Brain Brightening routines developed by Dr. Thomas
> Budzynski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Budzynski), and further
> elaborated in his 1999 Journal of Neuropathy peer reviewed study "Academic
> Performance Enhancement with Photic Stimulation and EDR Feedback" (
> http://tinyurl.com/9hpxtod).
>
> 3) By observing EEG monitoring hardware with FFT analysis within each of
> the EEG bands, I have observed similar (and sometimes stronger) changes in
> brainwave activity from light sources projected into the ear canal vs. the
> use of LED glasses.
>
> 4) If these changes you mention are in reality just a "placebo effect"
> from magnetic bracelets and faith healing, then pursuant to the peer
> reviewed study listed above you may very well have discovered a way of
> increasing a subject's GPA, long term learning retention, and memory
> consolidation with the use of a prop or placebo.  As such, it would  make
> sense for you to hire a patent attorney so that we can engage in talks
> about licensing your placebo technology for integration with a product that
> costs much less to develop and bring to market than what I am currently
> developing.
>
> _______________________________________
> From: saizai at gmail.com [saizai at gmail.com] on behalf of Sai [
> noisebridge at saizai.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:00 PM
> To: Gregory Perry
> Cc: neuro at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Gregory Perry
> <Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv> wrote:
> > If you have discovered a method of dynamically shaping brainwave
> activity using a simple placebo or prop, then maybe you should consider
> retaining a patent attorney to protect your method.
>
> ? do you even understand what placebo effect is?
>
> That's the whole point. It affects your brain, because you merely
> believe it ? rather than because of anything physiological.
>
>
> It seems like you're not actually interested in science here. Carry on
> with selling fake medical devices based on bogus claims.
>
> - Sai
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:39:58 -0700
> From: "lauren palmateer" <laurenpalm at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Gregory Perry'" <Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv>, "'Sai'"
>         <noisebridge at saizai.com>
> Cc: neuro at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals
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> Go light ear!
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: neuro-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net
> [mailto:neuro-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net] On Behalf Of Gregory Perry
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:33 PM
> To: Sai
> Cc: neuro at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals
>
> 1) This is not a medical device, and at no point in time has it been
> represented as such on this list or elsewhere.  This is an experimental
> photic stimulation system that utilizes the ear canals instead of the eyes.
>
> 2) Observing charting data from a multichannel EEG monitoring device while
> using a photic stimulation system and/or binaural beats generator is not
> rocket science.  Using FFT analysis, changes in brainwave activity directly
> corresponding to the area of the EEG spectrum targeted by the photic
> stimulation session are easily observed.
> This is especially the case when using randomized photic stimulation
> methods
> such as the Brain Brightening routines developed by Dr. Thomas Budzynski
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Budzynski), and further elaborated in
> his 1999 Journal of Neuropathy peer reviewed study "Academic Performance
> Enhancement with Photic Stimulation and EDR Feedback"
> (http://tinyurl.com/9hpxtod).
>
> 3) By observing EEG monitoring hardware with FFT analysis within each of
> the
> EEG bands, I have observed similar (and sometimes stronger) changes in
> brainwave activity from light sources projected into the ear canal vs. the
> use of LED glasses.
>
> 4) If these changes you mention are in reality just a "placebo effect" from
> magnetic bracelets and faith healing, then pursuant to the peer reviewed
> study listed above you may very well have discovered a way of increasing a
> subject's GPA, long term learning retention, and memory consolidation with
> the use of a prop or placebo.  As such, it would  make sense for you to
> hire
> a patent attorney so that we can engage in talks about licensing your
> placebo technology for integration with a product that costs much less to
> develop and bring to market than what I am currently developing.
>
> _______________________________________
> From: saizai at gmail.com [saizai at gmail.com] on behalf of Sai
> [noisebridge at saizai.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:00 PM
> To: Gregory Perry
> Cc: neuro at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [Neuro] Eyes-open EEG stimulation via the ear canals
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Gregory Perry
> <Gregory.Perry at govirtual.tv> wrote:
> > If you have discovered a method of dynamically shaping brainwave activity
> using a simple placebo or prop, then maybe you should consider retaining a
> patent attorney to protect your method.
>
> . do you even understand what placebo effect is?
>
> That's the whole point. It affects your brain, because you merely
> believe it - rather than because of anything physiological.
>
>
> It seems like you're not actually interested in science here. Carry on
> with selling fake medical devices based on bogus claims.
>
> - Sai
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