[Noisebridge-discuss] policies and procedures (more things you don't want to hear)

Patrick Keys citizenkeys at gmail.com
Mon Jan 3 00:26:59 PST 2011


Since nobody is in charge, who gets to decide what's excellent and what 
isn't?


Patrick


On 1/3/2011 12:20 AM, girlgeek at wt.net wrote:
> Christie wrote "While generally, it's a good idea to do or not do
> certain things, and
> often it may even be necessary to write those certain things down, we've
> kinda stuck with the "be excellent" as a catch-all for hopefully not
> having to tell people that being hurtful to the space or others who use
> it is bad."
>
> Christie,
> "be excellent" is a really much more excellent way to deal with things
> than rules. For example, exactly how much sleeping on the couch is not
> acceptable? "When it is not excellent behavior" is the answer.
>
> I think that you and I are agreeing, but I just wanted to write this.
> Be well,
> Claudia
>
>
> --- longobord at gmail.com wrote:
>
> From: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> To: Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com>
> Cc: "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net"
> <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] policies and procedures (more things
> you don't want to hear)
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:48:06 -0800
>
> So you really think that'll make a difference in a lawsuit? I really
> wonder what the insurance people have to say about it. We do, after all,
> have coverage for just that sort of thing. I'm surprised we had to rely
> on you and not them for this sort of instructions.
>
> And Noisebridge is all about covering their ass for this sort of thing,
> naturally.
>
> C
> _______
> "It is the time you have lost for your rose that makes your rose so
> important."
> Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
> "Too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart."
> William Butler Yeats
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com
> <mailto:citizenkeys at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     If nothing else, they need to be called "policies and procedures"
>     for legal reasons.
>
>     The first time somebody gets a serious injury and decides to file a
>     lawsuit, the first question that will be asked is "did noisebridge
>     have any policy or procedure intended to prevent this?"
>
>     Likewise, noisebridge legally needs a policy to prevent taking
>     noisebridge property because noisebridge is a non-profit. taking
>     noisebridge property is considered an illegal transfer of assets.
>     legally, assets at a non-profit can only be transferred to another
>     non-profit. taking something from a non-profit for personal use can
>     easily cause noisebridge to lose its tax-exempt status.
>
>
>     Patrick
>
>
>
>
>     On 1/2/2011 8:43 PM, Christie Dudley wrote:
>
>         I admit that the OP was tl;dr.
>
>         The biggest problem with any "rule" at Noisebridge is that it's
>         ultimately unenforceable.
>
>         Remember the time we tried to keep the dirty hippy out and he
>         climbed
>         the fire escape to get in?
>         Think of all the sleeping people!
>
>         Until we have a 24x7 hall monitor that we trust with real power and
>         authority, it just makes people who try to make rules look dumb
>         to have
>         the rules flagrantly disregarded. There are sometimes trolls
>         amongst us
>         who will deliberately flagrantly disregard rules for the purpose of
>         making the rule-maker look stupid.
>
>         While generally, it's a good idea to do or not do certain
>         things, and
>         often it may even be necessary to write those certain things
>         down, we've
>         kinda stuck with the "be excellent" as a catch-all for hopefully not
>         having to tell people that being hurtful to the space or others
>         who use
>         it is bad.
>
>         Christie
>         _______
>         "It is the time you have lost for your rose that makes your rose so
>         important."
>         Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
>         "Too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart."
>         William Butler Yeats
>
>
>
>         On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:19 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com
>         <mailto:jim at systemateka.com>
>         <mailto:jim at systemateka.com <mailto:jim at systemateka.com>>> wrote:
>
>
>         these seem like reasonable tho'ts.
>
>
>         On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 21:25 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:
>          > Since nobody wants to hear it from me, I'll try to keep this
>         short:
>          >
>          > Going into this new year, Noisebridge should (needs!) do things
>         like the
>          > rest of the world and formally acknowledge some policies and
>         procedures.
>          > You can read more about these types of things at:
>          > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policies_and_procedures
>          >
>          > There are both legal and practical requirements for policies and
>          > procedures. While it sounds cool to claim there's no
>         policies, I'm
>          > certain Noisebridge has at least some general policies. "Be
>         excellent to
>          > each other", wear shoes while in the space, don't use bittorrent
>         on the
>          > noisebridge network, clean up after yourself, don't sleep here
>         overnight
>          > are just a few policies that I know exist.
>          >
>          > As for procedures, Noisebridge has some of those as well. Post
>          > something to the rack list if you modify a server, put money
>         into the
>          > drink donations bin if you take a drink from the fridge, etc.
>         A few
>          > more that should seriously be considered are providing a real
>         receipt to
>          > the treasurer/bookkeeper if you spend noisebridge money, a
>         procedure to
>          > reserve certain resources for a specific date/time (a classroom,
>         use of
>          > a projector, etc.), and accepting packages delivered to
>         noisebridge and
>          > notifying the recipient.
>          >
>          > All policies and procedures should be kept in a location that
>         guests and
>          > members alike can easily locate. I recommend:
>          > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Policies_and_procedures
>          >
>          > Policies and procedures prevent petty disputes and allow
>         people that
>          > don't know each other very well and don't particularly like each
>         other
>          > very much to at least sorta get along with each other.
>         Noisebridge has
>          > too many members and visitors at this point to not have any
>         general
>          > policies and procedures.
>          >
>          > Hopefully this posting will not start a flame war.
>          >
>          >
>          > Happy New Year!
>          >
>          >
>          > Patrick
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