[Noisebridge-discuss] policies and procedures (more things you don't want to hear)

jim jim at systemateka.com
Mon Jan 3 10:14:26 PST 2011


you do. 


On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 00:26 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:
> Since nobody is in charge, who gets to decide what's excellent and what 
> isn't?
> 
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> On 1/3/2011 12:20 AM, girlgeek at wt.net wrote:
> > Christie wrote "While generally, it's a good idea to do or not do
> > certain things, and
> > often it may even be necessary to write those certain things down, we've
> > kinda stuck with the "be excellent" as a catch-all for hopefully not
> > having to tell people that being hurtful to the space or others who use
> > it is bad."
> >
> > Christie,
> > "be excellent" is a really much more excellent way to deal with things
> > than rules. For example, exactly how much sleeping on the couch is not
> > acceptable? "When it is not excellent behavior" is the answer.
> >
> > I think that you and I are agreeing, but I just wanted to write this.
> > Be well,
> > Claudia
> >
> >
> > --- longobord at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > From: Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>
> > To: Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net"
> > <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] policies and procedures (more things
> > you don't want to hear)
> > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:48:06 -0800
> >
> > So you really think that'll make a difference in a lawsuit? I really
> > wonder what the insurance people have to say about it. We do, after all,
> > have coverage for just that sort of thing. I'm surprised we had to rely
> > on you and not them for this sort of instructions.
> >
> > And Noisebridge is all about covering their ass for this sort of thing,
> > naturally.
> >
> > C
> > _______
> > "It is the time you have lost for your rose that makes your rose so
> > important."
> > Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
> >
> > "Too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart."
> > William Butler Yeats
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com
> > <mailto:citizenkeys at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     If nothing else, they need to be called "policies and procedures"
> >     for legal reasons.
> >
> >     The first time somebody gets a serious injury and decides to file a
> >     lawsuit, the first question that will be asked is "did noisebridge
> >     have any policy or procedure intended to prevent this?"
> >
> >     Likewise, noisebridge legally needs a policy to prevent taking
> >     noisebridge property because noisebridge is a non-profit. taking
> >     noisebridge property is considered an illegal transfer of assets.
> >     legally, assets at a non-profit can only be transferred to another
> >     non-profit. taking something from a non-profit for personal use can
> >     easily cause noisebridge to lose its tax-exempt status.
> >
> >
> >     Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 1/2/2011 8:43 PM, Christie Dudley wrote:
> >
> >         I admit that the OP was tl;dr.
> >
> >         The biggest problem with any "rule" at Noisebridge is that it's
> >         ultimately unenforceable.
> >
> >         Remember the time we tried to keep the dirty hippy out and he
> >         climbed
> >         the fire escape to get in?
> >         Think of all the sleeping people!
> >
> >         Until we have a 24x7 hall monitor that we trust with real power and
> >         authority, it just makes people who try to make rules look dumb
> >         to have
> >         the rules flagrantly disregarded. There are sometimes trolls
> >         amongst us
> >         who will deliberately flagrantly disregard rules for the purpose of
> >         making the rule-maker look stupid.
> >
> >         While generally, it's a good idea to do or not do certain
> >         things, and
> >         often it may even be necessary to write those certain things
> >         down, we've
> >         kinda stuck with the "be excellent" as a catch-all for hopefully not
> >         having to tell people that being hurtful to the space or others
> >         who use
> >         it is bad.
> >
> >         Christie
> >         _______
> >         "It is the time you have lost for your rose that makes your rose so
> >         important."
> >         Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
> >
> >         "Too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart."
> >         William Butler Yeats
> >
> >
> >
> >         On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:19 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com
> >         <mailto:jim at systemateka.com>
> >         <mailto:jim at systemateka.com <mailto:jim at systemateka.com>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >         these seem like reasonable tho'ts.
> >
> >
> >         On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 21:25 -0800, Patrick Keys wrote:
> >          > Since nobody wants to hear it from me, I'll try to keep this
> >         short:
> >          >
> >          > Going into this new year, Noisebridge should (needs!) do things
> >         like the
> >          > rest of the world and formally acknowledge some policies and
> >         procedures.
> >          > You can read more about these types of things at:
> >          > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policies_and_procedures
> >          >
> >          > There are both legal and practical requirements for policies and
> >          > procedures. While it sounds cool to claim there's no
> >         policies, I'm
> >          > certain Noisebridge has at least some general policies. "Be
> >         excellent to
> >          > each other", wear shoes while in the space, don't use bittorrent
> >         on the
> >          > noisebridge network, clean up after yourself, don't sleep here
> >         overnight
> >          > are just a few policies that I know exist.
> >          >
> >          > As for procedures, Noisebridge has some of those as well. Post
> >          > something to the rack list if you modify a server, put money
> >         into the
> >          > drink donations bin if you take a drink from the fridge, etc.
> >         A few
> >          > more that should seriously be considered are providing a real
> >         receipt to
> >          > the treasurer/bookkeeper if you spend noisebridge money, a
> >         procedure to
> >          > reserve certain resources for a specific date/time (a classroom,
> >         use of
> >          > a projector, etc.), and accepting packages delivered to
> >         noisebridge and
> >          > notifying the recipient.
> >          >
> >          > All policies and procedures should be kept in a location that
> >         guests and
> >          > members alike can easily locate. I recommend:
> >          > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Policies_and_procedures
> >          >
> >          > Policies and procedures prevent petty disputes and allow
> >         people that
> >          > don't know each other very well and don't particularly like each
> >         other
> >          > very much to at least sorta get along with each other.
> >         Noisebridge has
> >          > too many members and visitors at this point to not have any
> >         general
> >          > policies and procedures.
> >          >
> >          > Hopefully this posting will not start a flame war.
> >          >
> >          >
> >          > Happy New Year!
> >          >
> >          >
> >          > Patrick
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