[Noisebridge-discuss] Is Patrick Keys stealing from the donation jug?
jim at well.com
Mon Jan 3 13:26:20 PST 2011
i want noisebridge to exist because there are lots
of people i admire and learn from and i can do stuff
that i want or like to do. for me, life without that
place and those people would be a much worse life.
that the email list sometimes explodes over various
issues is a small part of what goes on there.
it does seem a shame that sometimes the explosions
have a nasty tone. seems better not to take things so
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:12 -0800, Anselm Hook wrote:
> Neutrally speaking as an outsider - the below seems like a hurtful
> statement. It's made in public, it's an ad hominem attack.
> The concern for me isn't even the speaker or the participants. I don't
> care about either of them.
> Regardless of what the issue is - it makes Noisebridge look bad as an
> entity. Why are you all continuing to have Noisebridge exist at all?
> It seems like an exercise in pain.
> By way of example, I donate to GAFFTA but not Noisebridge. Undoubtably
> I am sure the same drama, issues, personal tensions exist in any
> organization. But it doesn't spill into outright damn the consequences
> personal self aggrandizement threats and bellicose behavior; it's not
> crude testosterone driven vulgarity. It's so unhealthy - it's not good
> for any of you to have your emotions stirred up this way - to have
> your point of view destabilized by silverback preening or shit
> It's time for me to unsubscribe. Comments like this make me want to
> see the place go away. It is sick, the comments are sick, ugly and
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:
> > Patrick,
> > You're un-excellent. You're a total douchenugget. Nobody likes you.
> > I'm still kicking you out of the space the next time I see you.
> > --
> > Heph
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Sleeping:
> >> I have never slept here longer than a short nap. Ever. Any time I am
> >> here at night or early in the morning. You can ask anybody that's here
> >> during that time (Isky, Robert, Benny, etc.). My usual routine when I
> >> am here late at night has been to drive Benny home in my car so he
> >> doesn't have to walk.
> >> Stealing:
> >> I have no need to steal. Plus, a lot of food that's brought in here is
> >> food that I pay for myself. The alleged stealing is gossip that Robert
> >> started two nights ago while he was, ahem, sleeping here overnight at
> >> Noisebridge. He also put up a curtain over the tea room and slept here
> >> all last night. He and I were the only two people here two nights ago.
> >> He awoke in the middle of sleeping in the Turing classroom, ran out of
> >> the room for some bizarre reason, and then claimed to have heard a
> >> noise. He then blamed was my dog. The next day, with no rhyme or
> >> reason, without even discussing it with me, he began telling his buddy
> >> Fabian behind my back that he was going to start personal private
> >> investigations into me.
> >> On several occasions, I have - with witnesses watching - taken money
> >> from the glass donation jar in the kitchen and moved it to the locked
> >> jar specifically to prevent theft. I also update the drink money page
> >> whenever I take money from there. When tastebridge money has been
> >> spent, I've also provided a receipt for any expenses.
> >> I'm not a gossip, but a few nights ago a $20 bill mysteriously got
> >> stolen from the drink donation box. I counted the money before I left
> >> at 4am to see how much money we had. The next day, when it came time to
> >> buy drinks, the $20 was missing.
> >> This is all ridiculously childish.
> >> Andy, it is unexcellent to accuse people of stealing, particularly when
> >> it is not even you doing the accusing. Instead, it's an "anonymous"
> >> gossip that you're relaying.
> >> Gossip is un-excellent.
> >> Patrick
> >> On 1/3/2011 11:37 AM, Alex Handy wrote:
> >>> In the spirit of the openness that Patrick Keys has postulated, demanded, and yammered on about incessantly, I thought it only fair to air the accusations I was just made aware of:
> >>> It is alleged that Patrick Keys has been seen taking money out of the donation boxes. This accusation was leveled by a fellow who claimed to see this take place at 3 AM while the witness was gaming at NB. I've been told others have seen him do this on other occasions, but rather than do things in the dark behind closed doors, I thought I'd ask the list if anyone else can corroborate. Maybe we can set up some sort of formal process for dealing with thieves in the process!
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