[Noisebridge-discuss] Is Patrick Keys stealing from the donation jug?
danny at spesh.com
Mon Jan 3 13:24:07 PST 2011
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Cris <crisachow14 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have not attended the Noisebridge space in awhile and have been following
> Noisebridge news via forum posts for quite awhile.
I'm pretty [shrug] about the [drama], but I think the right thing for
now is to subscribe to noisebridge-announce. It's underused (and of
course not two-way), but you'll get most of what you want there.
The problem with drama is that it's hard to discern how much of it is
real, and how much of it is grandstanding and a glorious, spiralling
chaos of overexaggeration and provocation. And as people have pointed
out, when you share it with Mr Mailman, it hangs around for ever
online and can contribute to people's expectations of the place as
constantly be rifled with machine-gun fire, small shanty towns
composed of permanently narcoleptic vagabond ne'er-do-wells, and
vigilante mobs of consensus lawyers armed with MBAs and "The
Anarchists' Cookbook, Vols IV-XI (Consensus, Arbitration and the
American Legal System).
For those following at home, I'm at Noisebridge now, and it's tootling
along just fine. AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT. Patrick just offered
everyone Ramen noodles, Isky just started on the washing up, and I'm
doing some real work done while considering if I can get the doorbell
to play "This Is Gallifrey (Our Childhood, Our Home)" whenever I enter
Circuit night looks to be pretty good tonight -- there were 30 or so
people last week, which is pretty much the critical mass for NB
feeling like it's jumping, rather than just noodling along.
> I think it is kind of ridiculous for members to banter on forum posts about
> sleeping at Noisebridge, stealing donation funds, criticizing other members,
> etc. That is what weekly meetings are for - or better yet, just meet with
> said person or people to discuss the appropriate issues.
> I always thought the forum posts were to figure out when the next soldering
> session was going to happen, who is making what for Maker's Faire, what
> awesomely crazy kitchen/kombucha experiments are happening but now my inbox
> is filled with junk because people are not able to confront other people
> like civilized adults and instead, use the forum posts to poke at others
> from afar behind the safety of their computers.
> Grow up.
> If the forum posts continue at this rate, I will, sadly, have to
> unsubscribe. I know there are a lot of amazing people and projects at
> Noisebridge. For the sake of Noisebridge, please keep it that way.
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Gian Pablo Villamil <gian.pablo at gmail.com>
>> I don't think this is a constructive comment. I am OK with Patrick, as
>> are several others.
>> I am often at NB during the day, and can vouch for most of what
>> Patrick says regarding his actions (sleep, rides, money into locked
>> jars). I have no knowledge of the incident regarding Robert.
>> Also, do we have it clear that the main issue is *residential* use of
>> Noisebridge, not sleep per se? Lots of people take naps at NB.
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
>> > Patrick,
>> > You're un-excellent. You're a total douchenugget. Nobody likes you.
>> > I'm still kicking you out of the space the next time I see you.
>> > --
>> > Heph
>> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Sleeping:
>> >> I have never slept here longer than a short nap. Ever. Any time I am
>> >> here at night or early in the morning. You can ask anybody that's here
>> >> during that time (Isky, Robert, Benny, etc.). My usual routine when I
>> >> am here late at night has been to drive Benny home in my car so he
>> >> doesn't have to walk.
>> >> Stealing:
>> >> I have no need to steal. Plus, a lot of food that's brought in here is
>> >> food that I pay for myself. The alleged stealing is gossip that Robert
>> >> started two nights ago while he was, ahem, sleeping here overnight at
>> >> Noisebridge. He also put up a curtain over the tea room and slept here
>> >> all last night. He and I were the only two people here two nights ago.
>> >> He awoke in the middle of sleeping in the Turing classroom, ran out of
>> >> the room for some bizarre reason, and then claimed to have heard a
>> >> noise. He then blamed was my dog. The next day, with no rhyme or
>> >> reason, without even discussing it with me, he began telling his buddy
>> >> Fabian behind my back that he was going to start personal private
>> >> investigations into me.
>> >> On several occasions, I have - with witnesses watching - taken money
>> >> from the glass donation jar in the kitchen and moved it to the locked
>> >> jar specifically to prevent theft. I also update the drink money page
>> >> whenever I take money from there. When tastebridge money has been
>> >> spent, I've also provided a receipt for any expenses.
>> >> I'm not a gossip, but a few nights ago a $20 bill mysteriously got
>> >> stolen from the drink donation box. I counted the money before I left
>> >> at 4am to see how much money we had. The next day, when it came time
>> >> to
>> >> buy drinks, the $20 was missing.
>> >> This is all ridiculously childish.
>> >> Andy, it is unexcellent to accuse people of stealing, particularly when
>> >> it is not even you doing the accusing. Instead, it's an "anonymous"
>> >> gossip that you're relaying.
>> >> Gossip is un-excellent.
>> >> Patrick
>> >> On 1/3/2011 11:37 AM, Alex Handy wrote:
>> >>> In the spirit of the openness that Patrick Keys has postulated,
>> >>> demanded, and yammered on about incessantly, I thought it only fair to air
>> >>> the accusations I was just made aware of:
>> >>> It is alleged that Patrick Keys has been seen taking money out of the
>> >>> donation boxes. This accusation was leveled by a fellow who claimed to see
>> >>> this take place at 3 AM while the witness was gaming at NB. I've been told
>> >>> others have seen him do this on other occasions, but rather than do things
>> >>> in the dark behind closed doors, I thought I'd ask the list if anyone else
>> >>> can corroborate. Maybe we can set up some sort of formal process for dealing
>> >>> with thieves in the process!
>> >>> Anyone want to chime in?
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