[Noisebridge-discuss] FUD Free Laser Cutter, talk, Tuesday, Jan 18th
jim at systemateka.com
Sun Jan 9 18:54:58 PST 2011
can we go somewhere and rent one for some
that'd leave planning, research, etc. for
here at NB with just a trip to the actual
On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 17:40 -0800, Corey McGuire wrote:
> I got some valid criticism from someone stating that putting my
> fingers in my ears about this subject seems counter productive. I
> will give them that it quiets us of new ideas. But so far, I haven't
> heard anything new. This is twice, thrice ploughed ground.
> The ideas are:
> * Should we get a cheap option and if it breaks, hack it
> * Should we lease an expensive option which puts us at the mercy
> of the leasing company, but gives us an exit.
> * Should we buy an expensive option and hope someone doesn't
> break it. (expensive is $8k, $15k tops)
> * Should we just make a deal with the new Techshop and hope that
> their growing community doesn't make competing for these
> resources too time restrictive. (remember, they JUST opened.
> If past is prologue, then the free time will not last long,
> and I think the SF shop will have fewer available resources
> since it is smaller and closer to a large maker community than
> the Menlo Park shop)
> * Should we get one in a private space and run noisebridgers
> through a short course when they want to use it (alla
> techshop, but ours)
> * Can we trust people with a frick'n laser
> * Do we have enough money to protect the initial investment and
> maintain it
> * Who's going to put their name down and take liability if there
> is any
> * Will the laser engraver do what people expect it to
> * How do we make sure that people use it responsibly
> * How do we keep noisebridge open and trust people with no
> experience to use the machine and not fuck it up
> * Do we try to use it to pay for its self somehow
> Have I missed anything?
> These are all valid. I agree with them all. I just don't think they
> are new. I think it's time to talk about it in person. Not as people
> madly writing essays...again...and submitting them to be critiqued for
> punctuation and grammar and snarky application of LOL-Cat-ese.
> Maybe I'm a dick head, maybe this time it will be me fucking up the
> Laserbridge idea. I am just trying to get past the email torrent
> phase earlier this time. Fast Forward to beer and discussion.
> For those that can't make it Tuesday, the 18th, let's pick another
> day. I just wanted to plant a flag in the earth saying, "I'm not
> trying to kill conversation indefinitely, I'm am committing to
> cultivating a conversation, soon, where people can make decisions." I
> picked Tuesday because that is when NB meets, anyway, with all sorts
> of decision making, community tool experienced people.
> Noone has done anything wrong, except for maybe me by being a
> dickhead. I just don't want to see this get hammered to death with
> FUD again. I want to see it have a chance.
> I have gotten comments from people saying, "Their FUD is wrong, silly
> people, but my FUD is right." All the FUD is right. It's just
> cranked to 11.
> So lets keep the blood out of our Alcohol systems while we decide how
> to be irresponsible with high power energy weapons.
> Remember, do not look in to laser with remaining good eye.
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Corey McGuire <coreyfro at coreyfro.com>
> Listen folks,
> FUD. FUD is the word of the day. All I here is "I wanna
> laser engraver" and "FUD! FUD FUD FUD! FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD!"
> and then we don't get one.
> I want to address all the concerns with what I know, what you
> know, and I want to get a dialogue going, but I don't want
> this tool that everyone wants to be a big FUD Punching bag.
> I am not saying your concerns are invalid, but I am saying
> that if we bury all of our wishes in FUD, we won't get
> There is a lot of reality involved with getting a Laser
> Engraver, but the FUD I am seeing is unrealistic.
> Lets get together, over beer, list out the concerns, address
> them one by one, talk about the options our list presents us,
> and then go about getting it.
> Because, until we meet, over beer that I am buying, I am going
> to ignore all the concerns and return to my happy bubble
> filled world.
> People, you all have good ideas, but they are being presented
> in a sensational way. I am doing this as well so I am not
> innocent. Ultimately, this is going to lead to people being
> too afraid to get anything and then baby Jesus is going to
> Did I mention I am not just going to drown my problems in
> beer, but yours as well?
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