[Noisebridge-discuss] FUD Free Laser Cutter, talk, Tuesday, Jan 18th
j at hug.gs
Mon Jan 10 00:10:18 PST 2011
I use Ponoko for this since they're local and I can talk to them in
English when I have special requirements. They're the only way I know
of to turn an email attachment into a precision piece of metal with a
turnaround of less than a week.
For what it's worth, I have access to a materials lab with all these
fancy fanuc robots, and I've used it exactly once. Every other time I
decided to use an outsourcing service for the following reason: a
service can vet my design with respect to the machines making it and I
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:54 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> can we go somewhere and rent one for some
> particular purpose?
> that'd leave planning, research, etc. for
> here at NB with just a trip to the actual
> doing place.
> On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 17:40 -0800, Corey McGuire wrote:
>> I got some valid criticism from someone stating that putting my
>> fingers in my ears about this subject seems counter productive. I
>> will give them that it quiets us of new ideas. But so far, I haven't
>> heard anything new. This is twice, thrice ploughed ground.
>> The ideas are:
>> * Should we get a cheap option and if it breaks, hack it
>> * Should we lease an expensive option which puts us at the mercy
>> of the leasing company, but gives us an exit.
>> * Should we buy an expensive option and hope someone doesn't
>> break it. (expensive is $8k, $15k tops)
>> * Should we just make a deal with the new Techshop and hope that
>> their growing community doesn't make competing for these
>> resources too time restrictive. (remember, they JUST opened.
>> If past is prologue, then the free time will not last long,
>> and I think the SF shop will have fewer available resources
>> since it is smaller and closer to a large maker community than
>> the Menlo Park shop)
>> * Should we get one in a private space and run noisebridgers
>> through a short course when they want to use it (alla
>> techshop, but ours)
>> * Can we trust people with a frick'n laser
>> * Do we have enough money to protect the initial investment and
>> maintain it
>> * Who's going to put their name down and take liability if there
>> is any
>> * Will the laser engraver do what people expect it to
>> * How do we make sure that people use it responsibly
>> * How do we keep noisebridge open and trust people with no
>> experience to use the machine and not fuck it up
>> * Do we try to use it to pay for its self somehow
>> Have I missed anything?
>> These are all valid. I agree with them all. I just don't think they
>> are new. I think it's time to talk about it in person. Not as people
>> madly writing essays...again...and submitting them to be critiqued for
>> punctuation and grammar and snarky application of LOL-Cat-ese.
>> Maybe I'm a dick head, maybe this time it will be me fucking up the
>> Laserbridge idea. I am just trying to get past the email torrent
>> phase earlier this time. Fast Forward to beer and discussion.
>> For those that can't make it Tuesday, the 18th, let's pick another
>> day. I just wanted to plant a flag in the earth saying, "I'm not
>> trying to kill conversation indefinitely, I'm am committing to
>> cultivating a conversation, soon, where people can make decisions." I
>> picked Tuesday because that is when NB meets, anyway, with all sorts
>> of decision making, community tool experienced people.
>> Noone has done anything wrong, except for maybe me by being a
>> dickhead. I just don't want to see this get hammered to death with
>> FUD again. I want to see it have a chance.
>> I have gotten comments from people saying, "Their FUD is wrong, silly
>> people, but my FUD is right." All the FUD is right. It's just
>> cranked to 11.
>> So lets keep the blood out of our Alcohol systems while we decide how
>> to be irresponsible with high power energy weapons.
>> Remember, do not look in to laser with remaining good eye.
>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Corey McGuire <coreyfro at coreyfro.com>
>> Listen folks,
>> FUD. FUD is the word of the day. All I here is "I wanna
>> laser engraver" and "FUD! FUD FUD FUD! FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD!"
>> and then we don't get one.
>> I want to address all the concerns with what I know, what you
>> know, and I want to get a dialogue going, but I don't want
>> this tool that everyone wants to be a big FUD Punching bag.
>> I am not saying your concerns are invalid, but I am saying
>> that if we bury all of our wishes in FUD, we won't get
>> There is a lot of reality involved with getting a Laser
>> Engraver, but the FUD I am seeing is unrealistic.
>> Lets get together, over beer, list out the concerns, address
>> them one by one, talk about the options our list presents us,
>> and then go about getting it.
>> Because, until we meet, over beer that I am buying, I am going
>> to ignore all the concerns and return to my happy bubble
>> filled world.
>> People, you all have good ideas, but they are being presented
>> in a sensational way. I am doing this as well so I am not
>> innocent. Ultimately, this is going to lead to people being
>> too afraid to get anything and then baby Jesus is going to
>> Did I mention I am not just going to drown my problems in
>> beer, but yours as well?
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