[Noisebridge-discuss] Stacks of dirty dishes

meredith scheff satiredun at gmail.com
Thu Jan 13 17:46:49 PST 2011


I agree with al. I think the fewer dishes the better. Maybe we can put paper
plates in the vending machine?

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>wrote:

> Oh crap, the intern! I completely forgot! He's been locked in the
> basement for a couple weeks. Whew, boy I don't know how that slipped
> my mind.
>
> Though he needs to clean the basement before he can start on the
> dishes. It smells like something died down there.
>
> -Al
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Lilia Markham <liliakai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Don't we have an intern now? I don't remember his name so I will call him
> > Intern. Can we make Intern wash dishes?
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Message: 32
> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:14:09 -0800
> >> From: Albert Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Stacks of dirty dishes
> >> To: noisebridge-discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> >> Message-ID:
> >>    <AANLkTimYv8vuJarbC_9=3cCwdFg4_UOTk7BiqnJjbOdS at mail.gmail.com>
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> >>
> >> I'm not sure I've seen the sinks not filled with dirty dishes more
> >> times than I can count on one hand in the last several months. This is
> >> kind of a tricky problem to solve, and I thought once the dishwasher
> >> got set up it would abate a little, but it hasn't. It's a standard
> >> "tragedy of the commons" problem: everyone has incentive to use the
> >> dishes but nobody has as much incentive to keep them clean.
> >>
> >> I've given it some thought, and I think the only long-term solution is
> >> to move the dirty dishes from the sink to the dishwasher, wash them,
> >> then put them in a box and drop them off at Thrift Town (about a block
> >> from Noisebridge). We can then switch to disposable plateware if we
> >> run out of dishes (which are a lot easier to clean up).
> >>
> >> I'll volunteer to do this.
> >>
> >> >>> Please do not, read below <<<<
> >>
> >> Chore wheels and constant reminders won't work in the long-term or for
> >> our particular space (there's too many people.) Elaborate technical
> >> fixes that we can invent aren't practical. Appointing or even hiring
> >> someone(s) to keep the sink cleared isn't something anyone wants to
> >> sign up for or we can really afford over the long-term.
> >>
> >> And the Thrift Town solution regulates itself nicely; if people care
> >> enough about having dishes over paper plates they'll stick around, if
> >> not, we'll have fewer dishes that need to be taken care of and it
> >> becomes easier to keep them clean.
> >>
> >> I've thought it through, but if anyone has solutions that are
> >> long-term, practical, and cost-effective then email this thread. I'll
> >> post a sign about this policy in the kitchen for people who aren't on
> >> the mailing list.
> >>
> >> -Al
> >>
> >> Hi to All!
> >> I appreciate that this was brought up to discussion but I strongly
> >> disagree with
> >> the solution and I've
> >> not seen this post on Tastebridge discussion list were it certainly
> >> belongs -
> >> the are not culprits but
> >> stewards of the place. Dishes has to be cleaned on regular basis, it was
> >> managed
> >> before it can be
> >>
> >> managed again. It is not easy but possible and also necessary.
> >>
> >> Getting rid of the dishes will cause sever problems to the Tastebridge
> >> which is
> >> currently
> >>
> >> one of the most active groups in the space and one of the few which is
> >> promoting
> >> Noisebridge
> >> "out there" on regular bases. Switching for disposable dishes is not
> >> ecological
> >> and it will just not do.
> >> Kitchen without dishes is basically not a kitchen. Do not forget that to
> >> buy
> >> knew ones, which would
> >> happen sooner than later you spend a lots of money. It's like suggesting
> >> getting
> >> rid of soldering irons
> >>
> >> in an electronic lab which is certainly sometimes dirty and it is not
> >> after the
> >> Monday classes, quite the
> >> contrary, it's quite shining and the same applies most of the time when
> >> the
> >> kitchen is used for
> >>
> >> cooking and brewing classes.
> >>
> >> I will post on the Tastebridge mailing list this email knowing however
> >> that it's
> >> the Tastebridge people
> >> who in a long term keep the kitchen in a working order. However I'm sure
> >> that
> >> they will try to find the
> >> solution even if it takes some time. It may be, that we have accumulated
> >> too
> >> many dishes but it is people
> >>
> >> who use the kitchen on regular bases and have a proper manners to decide
> >> what is
> >> worthy and what is
> >>
> >> not because they have quite good idea. People who do not use the kitchen
> >> and do
> >> not know what is
> >>
> >> important for the classes, five minutes of fame dinners, underground
> >> markets
> >> etc. should step back and
> >>
> >> leave it on the ones who are involved in activities above to work on it.
> >>
> >> I hope that this situation will be sort out, so please try to come up
> with
> >> reasonably working solutions
> >> because as a chef and brewer you have to have proper dishes in the
> >> kitchen, it
> >> is as it is.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Frantisek
> >>
> >> PS Based on the logic above we should close both bathrooms because they
> >> are also
> >> quite dirty
> >> quite often.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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