[Noisebridge-discuss] noisebridge-discuss: mailing list versus forum system

jim jim at systemateka.com
Thu Jan 27 10:54:16 PST 2011



    For me, "locally hosted" does not necessarily mean 
box in the space, rather box that we, noisebridge people, 
can get at, physically if necessary. There's something 
hackerly about access to the silicon and metal itself, 
though probably ineffable. 
    It also means as much freedom from shifts in some 
other entity's policies as possible, which is the big 
deal for me. 
    A possibly useful comparison is between renting a 
VM on a monthly basis from go grid on one hand and 
maintaining a box in a monkey brains rack at 200 Paul. 
both are subject to policies, but we get to visit our 
box and pet it and such, unlike the vm. granted the vm 
is more scaleable and reliable, but those don't seem 
important aspects to hackers. and we can move the box 
to another entity, which is different from moving the 
vm to another hosting entity. 



On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 10:35 -0800, Dr. Jesus wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:41 PM, aestetix aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'd really not rather use something that's not locally hosted. What if their
> > system had a malfunction and we couldn't get access to troubleshoot it?
> 
> You use the out of band management card.  Most people aren't aware of
> how much control RMCP and similar protocols give the ops folks these
> days.  Look at the feature set for Intel AMT 6, for example.  You can
> reflash the BIOS over the network without even turning the computer on
> now.  ASF 2.0 lets you turn computers on and lock out the local
> console, too.
> 
> > Also, global politics aside, I don't like someone who is not a Noisebridger
> > having the "god key" to enable or disable the entire system.
> > Further, regardless of the complexity, if we have something local, we can
> > modify it, and even create new modules and patches for it.
> 
> Why does the physical proximity to the machine have anything to do
> with the hackability of its software?  Root is root.
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