[Noisebridge-discuss] Advisory about recent thefts at Noisebridge.

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Mon Jul 11 15:54:19 PDT 2011


Anyone who says Noisebridge is not the Free School annex hasn't been
to Noisebridge recently.

(Unless you mean, Noisebridge shouldn't be the Free School annex, in
which case, I completely agree. :) )

-Al

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:26 PM, meredith scheff <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
> I fucking love you Rachel. Noisebridge is not a freeschool annex, IMO.
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:11 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to reply inline
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:48 AM, girlgeek <girlgeek at wt.net> wrote:
>> > Adding my 2 cents.
>> >
>> > I second the suggestion of 10AM to 10PM (or earlier) open hours -  10PM
>> > to
>> > 10AM - 'members' only please.    I put 'members' in quotes because we
>> > can be
>> > very liberal in what we consider a member for these purposes.
>> > We might consider a $5/visit donation requirement which we can  forget
>> > to
>> > ask of anyone who looks O.K.
>> > We might consider a $2/visit donation of anyone who isn't a true monthly
>> > paying member and solve some financial problems at the same time.
>>
>> all of these solutions require us to do some kind of vague but active
>> people sorting, filtering, demanding money, closing the doors or
>> kicking out of nonmembers.  i mean, what happens at 10pm?  who stands
>> up and kicks out all those people we have spent two years telling that
>> they can come in and work whenever they want?  Or do we just want to
>> kick out problem people?  i fail to see how that differs from saying
>> "let's kick out problem people" except for the second is far more
>> honest.
>>
>> > We might consider a lock on the upstairs door that opens with the same
>> > key
>> > or keypad as downstairs, but otherwise has to be opened by someone who
>> > greets - and tells strangers to go away after 10PM.
>>
>> i like this better.  i also like the keypad/simply no longer buzzing
>> people in solution, i think it's similar in effect.  I also would like
>> to propose a similar solution: a passphrase.  to get buzzed in you
>> must deliver the passphrase.  it could be distributed via wiki,
>> mailing list, whatever.  i like the password over the keypad solution
>> because i believe it has the same level of filter but more fun in
>> implementation, and less work up-front to implement it it would
>> require a greater behavioral change, but that might be a good thing.
>> training people to have a small interaction with others to allow the
>> others to enter could be a step in the right direction.
>>
>> > I like, "What are you here to work on?" as a filter of people.  We need
>> > an
>> > acceptable response for Free School people like, "I'm part of the Free
>> > School." but otherwise, anyone coming in who doesn't look right
>> > shouldn't be
>> > here without a project.
>>
>> Um, fuck the free school.  I am sure that many of them are nice people
>> but they have several spaces nearby they can use for their chanting
>> circles/massage parties/talking about hippie stuff/whatever and being
>> part of Free School is not a reason to hang out at noisebridge.
>>
>> working on creative technology projects is.
>>
>> working on creative technology projects is.
>>
>> working on creative technology projects is.
>>
>> working on creative technology projects is.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > A slightly different aspect of the problem.  Say someone unexcellent
>> > comes
>> > in.....
>> >
>> > It is only a small % of us that feel that we can ask them to leave.  We
>> > need
>> > some sort of social  ok or awareness that especially as long as this
>> > problem
>> > exists that we need to err on the side of asking people to leave, an we
>> > all
>> > need to work as a group on the problem when an unexcellent person comes
>> > in.
>> > And   it can be very difficult to get the idea across to someone crazy,
>> > stoned, or crazy stoned that they need to leave.  Remember when we asked
>> > Salvador Dali Lama to leave - daily.
>> >
>> > Avoiding theft means asking a suspected thief to leave, before they have
>> > done anything wrong.  This means that we must act on our 'bad feeling
>> > about
>> > someone'.   Are we all willing to do that?
>>
>> we must as a community come up with some tools to help us know when we
>> can and should ask people to leave, and to help us know how to do it
>> without being an asshole or unfairly targeting someone we don't know
>> or who is different from ourselves.
>>
>> R.
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