[Noisebridge-discuss] Advisory about recent thefts at Noisebridge.

Molly Clare Wilson mollyclare at gmail.com
Mon Jul 11 17:21:05 PDT 2011


Keypad +1! (Also +2, +3, +4... +9).

I am a fan of any system that lessens the number of times per hour I
have to evaluate whether or not people are being weird enough for me
to ask them to leave. It makes it awfully hard to meet new people. The
last time I was at NB, I got approached by enough unwelcome folks that
I might as well have been sitting on the curb at 16th and Mission in a
sequined bikini with my laptop out, so in frustration I decided to
break out the "I will cut a bitch if you speak to me" face. Giving the
stink eye to people I didn't know worked for a while, until one
excellent guy came over to offer me a delicious beverage and I had to
explain why I had been glaring at him...

molly

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> Again, I'd note that lots of people who you think might be from that
> organization are either not, or more strongly associated with
> Noisebridge than you'd think. It's really easy to just class everyone
> who uses the kitchen or sits around on the couches as being from one
> particular group, whereas in fact there are a bunch of intersectioning
> groups, many of whom do a lot of very concrete, Noisebridge technical
> project work.
>
> d.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone who says Noisebridge is not the Free School annex hasn't been
>> to Noisebridge recently.
>>
>> (Unless you mean, Noisebridge shouldn't be the Free School annex, in
>> which case, I completely agree. :) )
>>
>> -Al
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:26 PM, meredith scheff <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I fucking love you Rachel. Noisebridge is not a freeschool annex, IMO.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:11 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to reply inline
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:48 AM, girlgeek <girlgeek at wt.net> wrote:
>>>> > Adding my 2 cents.
>>>> >
>>>> > I second the suggestion of 10AM to 10PM (or earlier) open hours -  10PM
>>>> > to
>>>> > 10AM - 'members' only please.    I put 'members' in quotes because we
>>>> > can be
>>>> > very liberal in what we consider a member for these purposes.
>>>> > We might consider a $5/visit donation requirement which we can  forget
>>>> > to
>>>> > ask of anyone who looks O.K.
>>>> > We might consider a $2/visit donation of anyone who isn't a true monthly
>>>> > paying member and solve some financial problems at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> all of these solutions require us to do some kind of vague but active
>>>> people sorting, filtering, demanding money, closing the doors or
>>>> kicking out of nonmembers.  i mean, what happens at 10pm?  who stands
>>>> up and kicks out all those people we have spent two years telling that
>>>> they can come in and work whenever they want?  Or do we just want to
>>>> kick out problem people?  i fail to see how that differs from saying
>>>> "let's kick out problem people" except for the second is far more
>>>> honest.
>>>>
>>>> > We might consider a lock on the upstairs door that opens with the same
>>>> > key
>>>> > or keypad as downstairs, but otherwise has to be opened by someone who
>>>> > greets - and tells strangers to go away after 10PM.
>>>>
>>>> i like this better.  i also like the keypad/simply no longer buzzing
>>>> people in solution, i think it's similar in effect.  I also would like
>>>> to propose a similar solution: a passphrase.  to get buzzed in you
>>>> must deliver the passphrase.  it could be distributed via wiki,
>>>> mailing list, whatever.  i like the password over the keypad solution
>>>> because i believe it has the same level of filter but more fun in
>>>> implementation, and less work up-front to implement it it would
>>>> require a greater behavioral change, but that might be a good thing.
>>>> training people to have a small interaction with others to allow the
>>>> others to enter could be a step in the right direction.
>>>>
>>>> > I like, "What are you here to work on?" as a filter of people.  We need
>>>> > an
>>>> > acceptable response for Free School people like, "I'm part of the Free
>>>> > School." but otherwise, anyone coming in who doesn't look right
>>>> > shouldn't be
>>>> > here without a project.
>>>>
>>>> Um, fuck the free school.  I am sure that many of them are nice people
>>>> but they have several spaces nearby they can use for their chanting
>>>> circles/massage parties/talking about hippie stuff/whatever and being
>>>> part of Free School is not a reason to hang out at noisebridge.
>>>>
>>>> working on creative technology projects is.
>>>>
>>>> working on creative technology projects is.
>>>>
>>>> working on creative technology projects is.
>>>>
>>>> working on creative technology projects is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > A slightly different aspect of the problem.  Say someone unexcellent
>>>> > comes
>>>> > in.....
>>>> >
>>>> > It is only a small % of us that feel that we can ask them to leave.  We
>>>> > need
>>>> > some sort of social  ok or awareness that especially as long as this
>>>> > problem
>>>> > exists that we need to err on the side of asking people to leave, an we
>>>> > all
>>>> > need to work as a group on the problem when an unexcellent person comes
>>>> > in.
>>>> > And   it can be very difficult to get the idea across to someone crazy,
>>>> > stoned, or crazy stoned that they need to leave.  Remember when we asked
>>>> > Salvador Dali Lama to leave - daily.
>>>> >
>>>> > Avoiding theft means asking a suspected thief to leave, before they have
>>>> > done anything wrong.  This means that we must act on our 'bad feeling
>>>> > about
>>>> > someone'.   Are we all willing to do that?
>>>>
>>>> we must as a community come up with some tools to help us know when we
>>>> can and should ask people to leave, and to help us know how to do it
>>>> without being an asshole or unfairly targeting someone we don't know
>>>> or who is different from ourselves.
>>>>
>>>> R.
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