[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeper problem/Kitchen cleanliness
danny at spesh.com
Fri Jul 15 12:59:48 PDT 2011
Actually, part of the problem may have been that there was a strong
rumor going around that the dishwasher was broken, so no-one used it.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Taylor Alexander
<tlalexander at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We can get a dishwasher for around 400$ (though we might want to talk
>> about energy and portability issues). If people are interested I will pitch
>> in the first 100. I will need help to transport and install though.
> Actually it looks like they can be had for much cheaper than that:
> (That one is brand new. $280. Only $350 normally)
>> On Jul 15, 2011, at 12:22 PM, jim wrote:
>> > Thank you.
>> > I like Lennie and know him well enough to vouch
>> > for him if he wants to be a member.
>> > This sleeping thing is a problem.
>> > I dislike rule-making. I like that people join
>> > together to support each other. I'll try to do that--
>> > i.e. show up in the early AM and roust sleepers
>> > The dishes are, in my view, the more serious
>> > symptom (of what exactly I can't find the words--
>> > something like neglect or not carrying one's
>> > weight...). The only approach I can think of is to
>> > yell out loud "who's dishes are these?" and go
>> > around scowling at everybody while repeating the
>> > question. I'm open to an improved approach.
>> > On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 11:55 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
>> >> I came to Noisebridge this morning to check for sleepers. I haven't
>> >> done so in a while. There were about half a dozen people up and
>> >> working on stuff, and two people crashed on couches and chairs.
>> >> One them was Lennie, who's a new guy who started coming to the space a
>> >> month or two ago. I bring this up in particular because this is the
>> >> third time I've found him sleeping at the space. As usual, I woke him
>> >> up and talked to him a bit about Noisebridge's sleeper problem and
>> >> then asked him to leave. (When I wake people up and don't ask people
>> >> to leave, they just go back to crashing at Noisebridge when I walk out
>> >> the door. I've checked.)
>> >> I was polite, he was polite. He explained that he was just taking a
>> >> short nap and not sleeping (which was the same explanation he gave the
>> >> first two times, and it wasn't very believable then either.) He said
>> >> he thought it was disrespectful to wake people up and ask them to
>> >> leave. He implied that people stopped hanging around the space because
>> >> I was waking up sleepers in the morning (I usually arrive between 6am
>> >> and 7am), and some other guilt-trip remarks. His stalling went on for
>> >> about half an hour, but I kept replying that he's free to work all
>> >> night at Noisebridge but needs to make plans for getting home before
>> >> he gets sleepy, and that he still had to leave this morning. Lennie
>> >> packed up and walked over to Mitch and spent another half hour
>> >> explaining himself, and finally left. I left a little bit later. After
>> >> I got on my bike and was riding away I noticed he was back at the
>> >> Noisebridge gate.
>> >> This isn't a one-off thing, and Lennie never said he'd stop doing it.
>> >> Talking to him about doesn't phase him one bit. If this becomes a
>> >> problem again (and tell me if it does), I'm going to tell Lennie to
>> >> stop coming to Noisebridge.
>> >> -Al
>> >> Also, the sinks were full of dishes, there were fruit flies hovering
>> >> around food that had been left out, and vegetables are being stored in
>> >> unsealed containers again where the rats can get to them. On the plus
>> >> side, the kitchen counters were clean and the hackers-to-sleepers
>> >> ratio is a complete inversion of what it was a couple weeks ago.
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