[Noisebridge-discuss] Handy signs are handy.

jim jim at systemateka.com
Fri Jul 29 10:41:07 PDT 2011



    Thanks lots, Al, for your work. 
    Your offer of $1 a day seems to me to need some fine-tuning, 
mainly to specify particular signs, not just "the printed signs". 
    As to tagging, seemingly snarky (gratuitous) additions may 
reflect some reasonable criticism, sometimes a matter of the 
background attitude that the wording and graphic effect of the 
sign presents. 
    Maybe give some further thought to the design and wording of 
printed signs, including some aspect of printing that presents 
the sign as a finished graphic--while that presents a risk of 
doing extra work that gets trashed (i.e. tagged), a more polished 
finish may deter the more genuinely snarky changes. 



On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:30 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> The tagging I've seen haven't really been helpful commentary so much
> as just passive aggressive snarky comments or the sign just gets torn
> down. Either way, it doesn't really facilitate communication and
> discourages people from putting up signs in the first place. It's not
> like the wiki, where you can have a separate talk page and undoing
> edits are trivial.
> 
> Anyway, my offer still stands. I'll donate a dollar a day to
> Noisebridge each day the printed signs go without being defaced or
> torn down. I'll occasionally replace signs and start paying again if
> they get tagged up.
> 
> I'm up for meeting with Liz and Daravinne for brainstorming. There's a
> wiki page up too: nburl.net/signage
> 
> -Al
> 
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:06 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
> > <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I think if a sign gets removed or defaced it's often an excellent piece of
> >> feedback from the community about the quality, intentions, or placement of
> >> the sign.  Signs I've made have been removed. I try to be pragmatic about it
> >> and take the fact of their removal to be something I can improve against.
> >>
> >> I think we need better signage for a lot of reasons... including exit
> >> signs.  Anyone want to start a signage working group with me?
> >>
> >
> > I think the best place for this would be on the social engineering list.
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering
> >
> > Me, Liz and Daravinne can't make it to this week's tuesday meeting (or
> > the social engineering meeting before it, so maybe meet up before then
> > to brainstorm on it?)
> >
> > d.
> >
> >> mediumreality.com
> >>
> >> On Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM, "Danny O&apos;Brien" <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> One of the efforts I want to do to make the space less intimidating to
> >>>> new people is to improve the signage around the space to make it more
> >>>> obvious what things are at NB, where those things are, and provide
> >>>> answers for "what is this thing?" (protip: If the thing is glowing
> >>>> and/or slimy, don't touch it.)
> >>>>
> >>>> A lot of the signs have been getting tagged up recently (if you have a
> >>>> problem or suggestion with the wording, feel free to email me
> >>>> privately or email the list), so to encourage preserving the signs,
> >>>> I'm going to donate $1 each day the signs go without being defaced or
> >>>> torn down. (If anyone can help with a part of that dollar, it'd be
> >>>> great. $365 a year adds up.)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey Al, I think Daravinne and Liz are already working on improving the
> >>> signing (as is somebody I don't know from taste bridge), you might
> >>> want to work with them on this. There's some talk about getting a
> >>> laminator as well.
> >>>
> >>> I think the "tagging" comes from a general encouragement in the last
> >>> batch of signs to note changes or improvements, and I personally think
> >>> it's a good way to get direct commentary; though in general I also
> >>> think putting an email and contact on the signs is also good. Liz's
> >>> kitchen signs got taken down specifically because someone is working
> >>> on better versions of them, based on the written improvements. Our
> >>> signs are generally just not very good or clear (or just
> >>> overpowering), and I think requires more thought than simply
> >>> attempting not to deface or remove ones that aren't working.
> >>>
> >>> d.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -Al
> >>>>
> >>>> p.s. I put fresh black and color cartridges in the white HP inkjet
> >>>> printer, but print in color sparingly cause it's expensive (i.e.
> >>>> overpriced by monopolistic bastards).
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