[Noisebridge-discuss] Handy signs are handy.

jim jim at systemateka.com
Fri Jul 29 10:55:12 PDT 2011



    Note Rachel's point that any tagging is a likely data 
point. I believe most tagging indicates something, however 
obscure. 
    I'd like to reiterate the idea of clearing an area 
around a posted sign and add the notion of having fewer 
signs and/or have signs deal with fewer topics. 



On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:48 -0700, Christina Olson wrote:
> Hey kids,
> 
> 
> In my discussion with Liz and Danny about signs I did in fact touch
> upon the points that 1. signs get removed or moved ALL THE DAMN TIME
> and 2.  no one respects any signage due to the fact that they're not
> clear, not consistent, and just printed paper taped to somewhere.
>  We're working on a branded, systemic set of signs that will be
> laminated and nailed/screwed to walls and other things so they cannot
> be easily moved or disregarded.  If you'd like to be part of the sign
> development effort please join the soceng mailing list, and speak to
> Liz or myself.  
> 
> 
> The soceng meeting will be a day next week that is NOT tuesday, since
> I can't ever make Tuesday anything due to a preexisting regular
> commitment.  It will probably be Wednesday or Thursday, I haven't
> decided yet.
> 
> 
> PS:  Buying a laminator is hella crazy expensive, like several hundred
> dollars for a shitty personal one and thousands for a good one (I've
> already looked into this multiple times for other reasons, same thing
> with paper cutters and binding machines), so unless someone is
> donating one to the space, we are going to get them printed and
> laminated elsewhere.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:41 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>         
>         
>            Thanks lots, Al, for your work.
>            Your offer of $1 a day seems to me to need some
>         fine-tuning,
>         mainly to specify particular signs, not just "the printed
>         signs".
>            As to tagging, seemingly snarky (gratuitous) additions may
>         reflect some reasonable criticism, sometimes a matter of the
>         background attitude that the wording and graphic effect of the
>         sign presents.
>            Maybe give some further thought to the design and wording
>         of
>         printed signs, including some aspect of printing that presents
>         the sign as a finished graphic--while that presents a risk of
>         doing extra work that gets trashed (i.e. tagged), a more
>         polished
>         finish may deter the more genuinely snarky changes.
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 10:30 -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
>         > The tagging I've seen haven't really been helpful commentary
>         so much
>         > as just passive aggressive snarky comments or the sign just
>         gets torn
>         > down. Either way, it doesn't really facilitate communication
>         and
>         > discourages people from putting up signs in the first place.
>         It's not
>         > like the wiki, where you can have a separate talk page and
>         undoing
>         > edits are trivial.
>         >
>         > Anyway, my offer still stands. I'll donate a dollar a day to
>         > Noisebridge each day the printed signs go without being
>         defaced or
>         > torn down. I'll occasionally replace signs and start paying
>         again if
>         > they get tagged up.
>         >
>         > I'm up for meeting with Liz and Daravinne for brainstorming.
>         There's a
>         > wiki page up too: nburl.net/signage
>         >
>         > -Al
>         >
>         > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Danny O'Brien
>         <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
>         > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:06 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
>         > > <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>         > >> I think if a sign gets removed or defaced it's often an
>         excellent piece of
>         > >> feedback from the community about the quality,
>         intentions, or placement of
>         > >> the sign.  Signs I've made have been removed. I try to be
>         pragmatic about it
>         > >> and take the fact of their removal to be something I can
>         improve against.
>         > >>
>         > >> I think we need better signage for a lot of reasons...
>         including exit
>         > >> signs.  Anyone want to start a signage working group with
>         me?
>         > >>
>         > >
>         > > I think the best place for this would be on the social
>         engineering list.
>         > >
>         https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering
>         > >
>         > > Me, Liz and Daravinne can't make it to this week's tuesday
>         meeting (or
>         > > the social engineering meeting before it, so maybe meet up
>         before then
>         > > to brainstorm on it?)
>         > >
>         > > d.
>         > >
>         > >> mediumreality.com
>         > >>
>         > >> On Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM, "Danny O&apos;Brien"
>         <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
>         > >>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Al Sweigart
>         <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>         > >>>> One of the efforts I want to do to make the space less
>         intimidating to
>         > >>>> new people is to improve the signage around the space
>         to make it more
>         > >>>> obvious what things are at NB, where those things are,
>         and provide
>         > >>>> answers for "what is this thing?" (protip: If the thing
>         is glowing
>         > >>>> and/or slimy, don't touch it.)
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> A lot of the signs have been getting tagged up recently
>         (if you have a
>         > >>>> problem or suggestion with the wording, feel free to
>         email me
>         > >>>> privately or email the list), so to encourage
>         preserving the signs,
>         > >>>> I'm going to donate $1 each day the signs go without
>         being defaced or
>         > >>>> torn down. (If anyone can help with a part of that
>         dollar, it'd be
>         > >>>> great. $365 a year adds up.)
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>
>         > >>> Hey Al, I think Daravinne and Liz are already working on
>         improving the
>         > >>> signing (as is somebody I don't know from taste bridge),
>         you might
>         > >>> want to work with them on this. There's some talk about
>         getting a
>         > >>> laminator as well.
>         > >>>
>         > >>> I think the "tagging" comes from a general encouragement
>         in the last
>         > >>> batch of signs to note changes or improvements, and I
>         personally think
>         > >>> it's a good way to get direct commentary; though in
>         general I also
>         > >>> think putting an email and contact on the signs is also
>         good. Liz's
>         > >>> kitchen signs got taken down specifically because
>         someone is working
>         > >>> on better versions of them, based on the written
>         improvements. Our
>         > >>> signs are generally just not very good or clear (or just
>         > >>> overpowering), and I think requires more thought than
>         simply
>         > >>> attempting not to deface or remove ones that aren't
>         working.
>         > >>>
>         > >>> d.
>         > >>>
>         > >>>
>         > >>>
>         > >>>> -Al
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> p.s. I put fresh black and color cartridges in the
>         white HP inkjet
>         > >>>> printer, but print in color sparingly cause it's
>         expensive (i.e.
>         > >>>> overpriced by monopolistic bastards).
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