[Noisebridge-discuss] Paid for cleaners, have they ever come by the space?

jim jim at well.com
Tue Nov 22 10:08:37 PST 2011



    Thanks for a direct, clear reply. 
    occasional dedicated cleaning is a good idea but i don't think it's
working yet. 

    in the spirit of doocracy: 

    the cleaners shouldn't feel bound by any rules 
or other inhibiting ideas; they should clean the 
tops of the tables. they should clean the mouse 
turds mildewing on the floors near the walls. 

    and we should coordinate ourselves to prepare 
the place immediately before the cleaners show, 
which means we should know in advance when the 
cleaners are going to show and we should not be 
inhibited from moving anything to anywhere in the 
interests of clearing the path. 



On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 02:28 -0800, Will Sargent wrote:
> Sigh.  Disregard that, I'm being a cock.
> 
> Cleaners came by the space three times in total, once a month, around
> 10 am.  They cleaned the floors, counter tops, bathrooms and swept
> around the place, not including the shop or member shelves.  The aim
> was to go for the areas that Noisebridge cleaners tend not to go for.
> 
> To your point -- why Noisebridge looks like a festering cackhole -- is
> because a) once a month and b) they were told not to clean any of the
> tables off.
> 
> Why were they not cleaning the desks off?  Two reasons: one,
> Noisebridge has odd shit on tables, and two, we went through a number
> of cleaners who would simply not take the deal at all at the rate we
> were offering once they saw the space.  Even my friendly neighborhood
> cleaners passed on it, and they're hungry for work.
> 
> As to why Duncan didn't see them, I have no idea.  They showed up the
> first time, and they've continued to send invoices after that, and
> I've paid them with the expectation that they showed up and did their
> jobs.  If your implication is that they invoiced us and never showed,
> I can dig into them for more details, but I doubt it's worth their
> while to rip us off when they had a perpetual offer in front of their
> noses.
> 
> Ultimately the proof is in the pudding.  I think it's been worthwhile
> myself, and a number of people commented to me that NB has looked
> cleaner to them -- so while your opinion is noted and valued, there is
> a spread.
> 
> Will.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Will Sargent <will.sargent at gmail.com> wrote:
> > And I believe the response from Danny was:
> >
> > "d) if you want more specific answers on this, it would be easy to
> > either email Will and edit the notes yourself, or possibly don't tell
> > me the notes suck when I'm just into the last minutes of the fifth
> > hour dealing with Noisebridge stuff tonight, as it shakes my
> > Spock-like calm and makes me want to go DERP DERP DERP MY NAMES RUBIN
> > DERP DERP DERP for the next few paragraphs."
> >
> > aka if you were actually interested in it, you would have asked.  I'm
> > on email, I've been on IRC.  I was even in the space with you on
> > Saturday / Sunday and you were more interested in resurrecting
> > noisedrama than in discussing the cleaning.  You've never asked me a
> > single damn question about the cleaning.
> >
> > You did, however, post your cock on the wiki.  Thanks for that.
> >
> > Will.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
> >> Dear Noisebridge, I've had a couple beers and it's now time to tackle my
> >> inbox:
> >>
> >> A little less then a week ago I posted some valid questions regarding
> >> the discussion item of paying cleaners to clean our space onto the
> >> mailing list (quote below) along with the general flag waving of "please
> >> answer my questions so I don't block consensus on the bases of lack of
> >> information". Sadly I haven't seen that happen yet, and we're about 21
> >> hours away from our next general meeting where it seems as though a push
> >> will be made for consensus on this subject.
> >>
> >> In a push to get discussion going, to make it a point that participants
> >> of Noisebridge should try to list out major discussion items on the
> >> agenda well before a meeting happens (not at Noisebridge 5 minutes
> >> before the meeting is about to start) so that those of us who want to
> >> participate actually have the option to decide to do so, and in a
> >> signature dick move that you all know and love about me, I'm going to be
> >> blocking consensus on this item until my following questions get fully
> >> answered.
> >>
> >> I will be at the meeting tomorrow night. If I don't get some solid
> >> answers via the list before then, I will not be in much of a mood to
> >> hear them out at the meeting and will continue to block regardless of
> >> whatever those answers are because I honestly don't feel like proper
> >> discussion has initially happened for this item over the week span we
> >> have in place for consensus items. I'm sorry if this is a downer, and
> >> will be happy to talk about why I'm doing this over some colder than I'm
> >> drinking now beers.
> >>
> >>        Sincerely,
> >>        Rubin, fuck that fucking guy, Starset
> >>
> >> Rubin Abdi wrote, On 2011-11-16 12:23:
> >>> Danny has clarified things, the general direction of last night's
> >>> discussion was to push for consensus at our next meeting. If the
> >>> discussion item for the cleaners was listed in the meeting notes a few
> >>> hours prior to the meeting I would have made time to attend the whole
> >>> meeting and to participate in discussion.
> >>>
> >>> With that being said, as a member of Noisebridge I would like to see my
> >>> prior requests for more information fulfilled (see quoted text) before
> >>> letting this item pass for consensus. It would be great if that could
> >>> get posted here (we're more or less having that discussion right now),
> >>> so this all doesn't get pushed over another week.
> >>>
> >>> Rubin Abdi wrote, On 2011-11-16 11:28:
> >>>>> It is felt that we should put it up for consensus for a further period,
> >>>>>> this time for six months.
> >>>> My response would be that this can't pass for consensus until someone
> >>>> can outline what cleaning has happened, how much it cost us, and (key
> >>>> point here) how that's improved the space over not paying a cleaners for
> >>>> cleaning service.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rubin
> >> rubin at starset.net
> >>
> >>
> >
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