[Noisebridge-discuss] Hologlyphic-Movie/Noisbridge grant funding re-application
rachel lyra hospodar
rachelyra at gmail.com
Fri Nov 25 12:45:47 PST 2011
Noisetor wouldn't actually be involved at all. I pointed you to that page
as an example of the type of agreement I would expect you to craft, in
conversation and collaboration with the noisebridge membership, about your
Again, if indy media is handling the money then I don't care how its done.
If you are expecting noisebridge to act as a conduit for the funds then I
would expect at the least an agreement like the example.
Maybe you want to work with indy media to help craft this agreement? Its
not like we have a staff for them to work with. If they want to suggest a
different starting point than the noisetor example that is totally fine.
The example I have given you is what noisebridge is currently using as a
process for this.
As a user of noisbridge you are free to refine that process, in
collaboration with other groups if you like.
My concern is that we spell out what is happening before we agree to it. I
still do not see a clear answer in your message on whether or not you
expect noisebridge to act as a legal conduit for your funds. On the basis
of that lack of clarity alone, I have serious reservations about this
project. The clarity we achieve here is, legally, the difference between
fiscal sponsorship and money laundering.
On Nov 25, 2011 12:29 PM, "Walter Funk" <marybraindoe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Part will go to Noisebridge as a compensatory donation, but most will be
> distributed for the 3D project costs.
> During the 4 month period where a dedicated studio is rented for
> finalization, for this period only will I receive any 'artists pay' out of
> the funds. This is only to cover my living cost in that time period, making
> myself available daily in the dedicated studio space for pulling people's
> artwork together for the show. Most of the funds will go to workshops,
> equipment/materials, show production, etc.
> Spoke today with Indy Arts, we came up with two options for an agreement.
> There are fiscal sponsor agreements that already exist for this kind of
> thing. Indy Arts can help find an appropriate agreement and help modify to
> work with Noisetor, etc.
> The other option we talked about, which may be better, is to have them
> still be the fiscal sponsor and let it be a pilot for Noisbridge to learn
> about handling these types of projects. They said it's not rocket scientist
> stuff, their experience could help Noisbridge develop a process that works,
> and be used for future projects. Especially with the newer non-profit
> I'd be up for either type of agreement. The second one seems easier and
> more beneficial to Noisebridge in the long run. Again more time for 3D,
> etc. Some history of this 3D project linked below.
> Any thoughts?
> Some Hologlyphic history:
> New color work taken at Stanford with Eyeball added:
> Tech info:
> *From:* Rachel Lyra Hospodar <rachel at mediumreality.com>
> *To:* Walter Funk <marybraindoe at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net" <
> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Hologlyphic-Movie/Noisbridge grant
> funding re-application
> As far as the non-fiscal stuff goes, it all sounds fine. I am still not
> clear on the structure of your money stuff. If money needs to be
> granted/disbursed *by* noisebridge, at all, then we need to craft an
> agreement. If you are using part of the grant money to pay noisebridge
> dues or make compensatory donations *to* NB, via another financial
> entity, then that isn't necessary.
> On 11/23/2011 3:15 PM, Walter Funk wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I looked at the Noisetor Wiki, thanks.
> > There is a fiscal sponsor for this project, an umbrella group,who will
> > handle the finances such as taxes, also reporting to the grant-maker if
> > funding is approved.
> > They are very experienced, working with non-profits and artists if
> > part of their mission.
> > http://artsandmedia.net/programs-2
> > Would it help to Noisebridge to have them do all that? They can also
> > help with agreements, etc.
> > Seems like more focus on making cool 3D stuff.
> > ~Walter
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* rachel lyra hospodar <rachel at mediumreality.com>
> > *To:* Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net>
> > *Cc:* Walter Funk <marybraindoe at yahoo.com>;
> > "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net"
> > <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:47 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Hologlyphic-Movie/Noisbridge grant
> > funding re-application
> > This is a fiscal sponsorship to the tune of $30k...that is a significant
> > financial relationship you are proposing.
> > It's a good thing we have started developing a framework for this, from
> > Noisetor. We made Noisetor creators jump through a bunch of hoops to
> > make sure that we have a sound agreement regarding the financial
> > obligations incurred in such a relationship.
> > I think it's pretty important to hammer out that kind of agreement.
> > If the tone of the discussion next week is good, it probably could be
> > done in parallel with your letter of intent, as long as you are under
> > the understanding that the sponsorship may not be approved if consensus
> > is not reached.
> > Please check out the noisetor wiki page if you need a starting point for
> > what kind of agreement i am talking about. Even trusted longstanding
> > members of the community can become a little lax in fulfilling their
> > obligations, and for everyone's peace of mind it's important to spell
> > out what those obligations are ahead of time.
> > R.
> > On 11/23/2011 2:30 PM, Rubin Abdi wrote:
> >> Hi Walter.
> >> Last night at the meeting you wanted to talk about your project and this
> >> letter of intent to be indorsed by Noisebridge. You were asked to hold
> >> off talking about it till a more appropriate time in the meeting.
> >> It seems as though it wasn't clear to Jim or Shannon or anyone else at
> >> the meeting that you actually wanted to bring this action up as a
> >> discussion item, to be consented on at our next meeting (Nov 29th). If
> >> you remember we spoke about this after the meeting was over, and that
> >> generally through miscommunication we never brought it up formally as a
> >> discussion item. Since you have a due date to work worth, you wanted to
> >> know if there was any way to bring this item up for consensus on the
> >> 29th without having it actually getting discussed at the meeting that
> >> just passed.
> >> My advice to you was to bring up this mishap on the discussion list and
> >> see if anyone would object to you pushing for consensus next week by
> >> holding discussion for the item on the mailing list, in addition to the
> >> actually item you want to achieve consensus on. However I don't see text
> >> from your previous email regarding any of that, nor are you even asking
> >> for consensus.
> >> Did I miss something? When we were chatting?
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