[Noisebridge-discuss] Sigh -- I'm not helping with Maker Faires this year.

VonGuard vonguard at gmail.com
Thu Apr 5 16:32:49 PDT 2012


Perhaps the noisebridge booth at maker faire could be handled
do-o-cratically, and whoever shows up and registers at the show on the
Friday before can run the booth.
On Apr 5, 2012 4:13 PM, "Wladyslaw Zbikowski" <embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net>
> wrote:
> > The supreme irony here is that I'm actually interested in exploring the
> > DARPA topic because it is relevant to me personally, Noisebridge as a
> > group, Maker faires everywhere and because Mitch has really made quite a
> > stand that will probably cost him dearly.
>
> OK Jake; I'm very sympathetic to the position you, Mitch, and others
> take on DARPA, so I'll oblige. It's clear that the American
> military-industrial complex is problematic to say the least.
>
> DARPA is certainly in the business of killing people, by virtue of the
> fact that it's an agency of the US government, which, along with a
> hundred or so other sovereign entities, makes killing its business.
>
> DARPA doesn't decide what country to invade, or which people to
> torture. That would be the White House and Capitol Hill: the very
> people we elect through the farcical process we call "democracy".
>
> Blaming DARPA for what Bush did to Iraq, is like blaming some pissant
> programmer for the 2000 election fiasco, because that programmer wrote
> a device driver which was used in a Diebold voting machine. The
> problem is not that voting machines exist, or that people write device
> drivers for them. The problem is that we trusted Diebold, and the
> leadership of Diebold betrayed us.
>
> By blaming DARPA, who only provides tools and technology to whoever we
> elect, we let the real criminals off the hook. It obfuscates the basic
> problem, which is our essentially corrupt and morally bankrupt system
> of government.
>
> I'd rather boycott the Republican and Democratic parties. I refuse to
> acknowledge the legitimacy of a Congress and President put in power by
> corporate money. The exact weapon technology which Republicans and
> Democrats use to kill people, whether it's rocks or lasers, is nowhere
> near the root concern here. Self-defense is a legitimate endeavor;
> what our elected officials actually do with the power we've entrusted
> them with, is not legitimate.
>
> Of course if you personally find DARPA distasteful, then by all means
> don't work with them. But personal revulsion doesn't go very far in
> addressing systemic reform. Personally I'd rather have a strong
> military with responsible leadership than a military which sets out to
> commit atrocities and then can't even execute.
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