[Noisebridge-discuss] Tomorrow night's meeting [Oh you know if it's me it's drama]

Justin Doerr justinsfca at gmail.com
Mon Apr 9 19:45:29 PDT 2012

Right, Arnold perhaps if you're going to project your angsty criticism of
yourself onto others, the very least you could do is have a real identity
like mine..... If you were planning on getting a reaction out of me that's
all you're gonna get considering I take what people without real identities
on the internet say with a grain of salt. And yes Matt, I definitely
thought this one through. Thinking clearly for the first time in a while
On Apr 9, 2012 7:12 PM, "Arnold Murray" <arnold.murray at ymail.com> wrote:

> You actually spit on someone at Noisebridge?
> For reals?
> And you want to come back?
> Do you have a wheelbarrow for your enormous testicles?
> --- On *Mon, 4/9/12, Justin Doerr <justinsfca at gmail.com>* wrote:
> From: Justin Doerr <justinsfca at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Tomorrow night's meeting [Oh you know
> if it's me it's drama]
> To: "rachel lyra hospodar" <rachelyra at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Noisebridge Discuss" <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 5:39 PM
> I welcome feedback, and I do want to come in and start hacking. My project
> involving making my tablet PC is of significant importance to me especially
> since I don't have a computer anymore because I took it apart at
> Noisebridge and salvaged only the parts that I needed for making a touch
> screen tablet. My primary intentions are not to start drama, and I'm not
> just *saying that* as a way to excuse myself, I really mean it. However,
> I can't wait around forever for Robert to feel comfortable enough to follow
> through with the process of mediation of in which everyone except Robert,
> and including myself wants us to go about doing. I admit I'm on the fence
> of going about the mediation process. I'm only doing it because the
> community wants me to, not because I want to. I simply feel as if he is
> being hypocritical for accusing me of things he is entirely capable of
> doing himself, if not worse, and yet I'm the one being subjected to threats
> of being banned from the space, when he himself gets let off with no
> penalty of any sort whatsoever? I just don't think it's fair at all. To me,
> there is a significant difference between spitting on people and trying to
> stab them, and I only bring that up because I want to shed light upon the
> fact that Robert is just as capable of being violent and irrational as I am
> when under the heavy influence of alcohol (and in his case, alcohol and
> drugs), and I think it's wrong to have mercy upon him entering the space
> yet to grimace upon the idea of me being allowed to come back in. Drinking
> in the hackerspace is wrong, given Noisebridge should be a space where one
> comes in to grow brain cells rather than kill them off, and I've sought
> solace for that by attending AA meetings and therapy. I am aware that what
> I did was stupid and wrong, and I'm seeking help, which is more than I feel
> he can say. He has done nothing, but manages to complain about some other
> BS regarding the improper usage of a projector via discuss which again is
> something he himself is yet again just as capable of improperly using
> himself. I think Robert is an asshole, and the very last thing I want to do
> while I am at Noisebridge is consort or communicate with him whatsoever. I
> want him to leave me alone and to never talk to me again quite honestly,
> because I feel that although what I did was stupid, his actions during and
> prior to my episode are just as unforgivable as well.
> To summarize, I am thoroughly discontent with the way this process is
> being handled. I think that Robert should leave and not be allowed to come
> back until he is ready to go through the mediation process as well, or I
> feel that both of us should be allowed to coexist with one another in the
> space, or that we immediately go through the process of mediation as in
> tomorrow, not two or three months from now. At this point I have no
> sympathy as to whether or not he feels ready, especially with the way I
> feel I've been mistreated by him. Any other proposals to me are unjust,
> because it involves Robert being allowed to fool around at the space, or
> waste his time accusing others of things he does himself, while I get to be
> ostracized and vilified.... Noisebridge is just as much my adult playground
> for learning and growing as a person as it is his and ours. The only reason
> why I want to go to tomorrow's meeting is to bring this up, because I know
> I can't rely on anyone else but myself to represent me, and quite frankly
> I'm really over the drama and I'm ready to move on. I've already informed
> him that I intend to go to tomorrow's meeting and that if he doesn't feel
> comfortable, he doesn't have to attend.
> - Justin
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:24 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=rachelyra@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> hello,
> i unfortunately will not be available to attend this meeting, however i
> do have a problem with this approach and would suggest that mediation
> would be a good step PRIOR to reentering the space.
> Justin, you often say you are willing to learn and yet here you are,
> excusing yourself instead of apologizing, talking instead of hacking,
> and i for one am disappointed at the approach you are taking and do not
> think it is appropriate for you to come to the meeting.
> R.
> On 4/9/2012 12:22 PM, Justin Doerr wrote:
> > So I am giving everyone fair warning in advance that I plan to attend
> > tomorrow night's meeting prior to the mediation process between Robert
> > Chu and I being complete. I want to share my sentiments and how I feel a
> > month after the drama has passed and I feel I have the right to defend
> > myself and voice my opinion, especially considering how hung over and
> > traumatized I was at the last meeting. I've informed Robert I'm coming
> > and I don't want people to be alarmed, hence this email. Also, it would
> > be great if the drama in the meeting notes would be reduced to as
> > minimal detail as possible, as much as I love being a celebrity here, I
> > admit I'm not interested in this being publicized for everyone's
> > leisure. I can't wait until I can actually get to hacking and not have
> > to ever post drama on the discuss list or other forms of media ever
> > again. It's seriously like an episode of Ricki Lake here sometimes.
> > That's all I have to say. Thanks.
> >
> > -Justin Patrick Doerr
> >
> >
> >
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